2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[sx98423]

Nah, it's not my point of view, it's me watching several interviews with Japanese people, when they praise people's facial features, they write it down in articles, you can even find it in wikipedia.
My entire fault is agreeing with them in this particular case.

reading articles and watching a few interviews of japanese people will not give an accurate idea of what the country is really like lol. generally articles and interviews push a certain narrative. i've probably watched and read over a thousand opinion pieces made by canadians and i know that it's not even close to a comprehensive overview of the different opinions that people in this country have.

 

[mathlike]

reading articles and watching a few interviews of japanese people will not give an accurate idea of what the country is really like lol. generally articles and interviews push a certain narrative. i've probably watched and read over a thousand opinion pieces made by canadians and i know that it's not even close to a comprehensive overview of the different opinions that people in this country have.

You know, you're right - it's my pov. You may find it wrong, but I have right to express it on this forum and to expect you'll have to deal with it.

Fourth, what Russian economy and sanctions have to do with it? I could start to explain things but politics is not welcome here.

I didn't get this part either. If a surrounding is poor and you're accumulating wealth, doesn't it make you even wealthier in comparison? :think:

 

[nussnacker]

reading articles and watching a few interviews of japanese people will not give an accurate idea of what the country is really like lol. generally articles and interviews push a certain narrative. i've probably watched and read over a thousand opinion pieces made by canadians and i know that it's not even close to a comprehensive overview of the different opinions that people in this country have.

I'm certainly against any 'who's prettier' discussions, it's just unnecessary and wrong.
However, inferences about certain tendencies in societies are definitely made by researchers in social science.
I've read a ton of those, I wrote a ton of those, and 1000 people is a pretty good sample, a lot of papers get 100+ participants and that's about enough to write a paper and get it published.

That being said, I'm not sure the poster referred to any study or just had his perception shifted due to observational selection bias.

 

[dante]

Please call me back when there is a 2020-21 Russian Ladies thread...

 

[mathlike]

I'm certainly against any 'who's prettier' discussions, it's just unnecessary and wrong.
However, inferences about certain tendencies in societies are definitely made by researchers in social science.
I've read a ton of those, I wrote a ton of those, and 1000 people is a pretty good sample, a lot of papers get 100+ participants and that's about enough to write a paper and get it published.

That being said, I'm not sure the poster referred to any study or just had his perception shifted due to observational selection bias.

Don't you know everybody has their own "truth" these days? Everything is subjective and if you insist on objectivity too hard, you hurt dem feelings.

 

[Vandevska]

Don't you know everybody has their own "truth" these days? Everything is subjective and if you insist on objectivity too hard, you hurt dem feelings. [emoji3]

Seriously? You yourself made a very subjective comment and yet you talk about insisting on objectivity?

 

[mathlike]

Please call me back when there is a 2020-21 Russian Ladies thread...

I wonder, if anyone is training 3A in "Khrustalyi" right now... :think:

 

[Fluture]

I wonder, if anyone is training 3A in "Khrustalyi" right now... :think:

Considering that it‘s like 1 am in Moscow, no, they aren‘t. Unless Sasha snuck out with Tina and they’re practicing their secret pairs program‘s opening jump.

 

[mathlike]

Seriously? You yourself made a very subjective comment and yet you talk about insisting on objectivity?

Firstly, I don't think I did, secondly - what one has to do with another?
Making specific subjective comment and lamenting lack of objectivity in general discourse are two different things.

 

[mathlike]

Considering that it‘s like 1 am in Moscow, no, they aren‘t. Unless Sasha snuck out with Tina and they’re practicing their secret pairs program‘s opening jump.

I mean for test skates. I'd expect cinderella girl to come up with something nice for TAT et consortes.

 

[mathlike]

Kanysheva said to Ermolina she's planning to add 4T later in the season.

 

[fabienne1996]

Toy marketeers will tell you otherwise. A toy Tina in one of Trusova's more recognisable dresses will sell too. Anna Shcherbakova, has a dog too, Alyona Kostornaya a whole zoo IIRC, plus she rides her aunt's horse, if these gymnasts take over Japan, their pets become valuable assets in their marketing. Cute pets always melt hearts.

Children and teens from affluent families have a considerable spending income, or pulling power on their parents wallets. 4A would sell well if they cater to this market.

Medvyedeva on the other hand has little market appeal to under 16 y.o.'s I think. She needs to appeal to the older teens and twens (do twens still exist in marketing?) or young adults in general. Also also I think her 'market position' in Russia is more difficult compared to Zagitova's.

All in all I praise Zagitova (her parents/agent) and Khrustalniy/FKKM/FFKKR or whomever the contract partner is, on how careful and controlled they market their brightest star in figure skating. No overexposure, reasonable classy commercial outings, a plane painted in your honour, a racehorse named after you, most sportpersons would be very glad having such an image and exposure.

But pets are cute either way. They do not need to be put I to clothes ect. And I mean that in general not only the skaters but like in our every day life. I see dogs looking ridiculous in costumes or clothes and I just think that those are dogs not dolls to dress up. Most dogs look cute on their own

 

[Vandevska]

But pets are cute either way. They do not need to be put I to clothes ect. And I mean that in general not only the skaters but like in our every day life. I see dogs looking ridiculous in costumes or clothes and I just think that those are dogs not dolls to dress up. Most dogs look cute on their own

As long as they aren't tortured into it, i think it's okay. I know i loved playing with my cats
... Definitely will do it in the future again [emoji28]

 

[Georgya]

First of all, we sort of know her gross earnings now but we don't know the net after she pays her dues to whatever interested parties that she pays.

Second, even if her net income were equal to the mentioned sum no one including herself knows for how many years it will last. If she amortizes 3-4 years of such earnings over 40-50 years yet to come it will be a small sum. A decent 2 bedroom apartment in Moscow costs $300,000 - 500,000. With her net worth she could hardly afford to buy it, at least now. I am not talking about nice apartments that cost 1 million and up.

Third, why would her dad and sister go to Moscow? Her dad has a nice job with Ak-Bars now. No one offered him a job in Moscow as far as I know.

Fourth, what Russian economy and sanctions have to do with it? I could start to explain things but politics is not welcome here.

He is making the mistake of projecting the way american athelets spend their money onto Alina, a 17 yo, russian teenager. Different mentality, different culture. The fact that her parents are not with her means nothing, also the russian economy has nothing to do with this

 

[DanseMacabre]

Considering that it‘s like 1 am in Moscow, no, they aren‘t. Unless Sasha snuck out with Tina and they’re practicing their secret pairs program‘s opening jump.

Now this I would buy tickets to see.

 

[voolfee]

If Alina is making 500K-2 million USD, she could easily afford to have her mom, dad, and sister live with her in Moscow, but she lives with Grandma in some tiny apartment.

I'm very surprised how many people like this comment. Alina's father works as a coach, he has his own career. And Alina’s mom seems to have her own beauty salon. They don’t need to move to Moscow. Alina lives in a small apartment until her new apartment is equipped. She should be moving there soon. For Alina in the first place her skater career, and her small apartment is close to the ice rink. This is very convenient, given the traffic jams in Moscow. Maybe because of this too she is in no hurry to move. It's very ugly to go into the personal life of skaters. And in their earnings too.

 

[Georgya]

Lastly, the average monthly salary in Moscow is 1,000 USD, so 12K/year. If Alina is making 500K-2 million USD, she could easily afford to have her mom, dad, and sister live with her in Moscow, but she lives with Grandma in some tiny apartment.

I don't get the number of likes for this comment so I made a research!

Zagitova prize money in 2018-2019. Source: www.sport-express.ru
- 64.000 $ for winning the World Cup;
- 16.000 $ for second place in the European Championship;
- 18.000 $ for the second place in the Grand Prix finals;
- 36.000 $ for victories at the stages of the Grand Prix series
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134.000 $ (10.000$ goes to tax)

In 2017-2018, according to gazeta.ru, Alina received for her OGM 13 million rubles(state and moscow) and a jeep which costs 5 million rubles - 18 milions rubles means 272.000 $(without taxes). That season she also won first place in the European Championship, first place in the Grand Prix finals and had victories at the stages of the Grand Prix series (another aprox 70.000 $ - without taxes).

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342.000 $ aprox

I don't even dream that Alina has big contracts with Puma or Shiseido, she has small marketing campaigns with them, only for the russian and japanese audience, they are not global. She had at least two photo shoots for Puma and two videos, so 30.000-40.000$ for that is not an exageration. Now add a couple of ten thousand $ from the other sponsors Madoka, Airweave, Sberbank. Plus show money from Japan, another couple of thousands $.

I also discovered, Alina was gited last year, after OG (by a local home construction company URALDOMSTROY) a new, 4 rooms apartment in her hometown Izhevsk, evaluated at 8 million rubles - 121.000 $. I believe Alina said she donated it to her parents, it was unfinished.

I can see Alina earning 500.000 - 600.000 $ ( maybe more close to 700.000) in the last two years. From this cut taxes and what she probably pays to third parties.

P.S. Jesus, figure skating is such a miserable paid sport. A lousy romanian football player makes this money in a couple of months and this girl is olympic, world and european champion. I wanna cry, life is so unfair

 

[Orlov]

I'm very surprised how many people like this comment. Alina's father works as a coach, he has his own career. And Alina’s mom seems to have her own beauty salon. They don’t need to move to Moscow.

You know, there are many Muscovites imagining that real life is only inside the Moscow Ring Road

To the topic of earnings. Do not want to draw any conclusions, it's just funny for me - here is an first interview with 15-year-old Zhenya in December 2014 in her apartment. It's funny to see a typical apartment of a averadge, not rich Moscow family. This furniture, this door in the background and all this stuff is so typical Girl next door. Before us is a quiet, modest girl in a simple (slightly naive) outfit.

And compare this to what is now - fancy places, fancy life

Guys, I don’t think that counting the money of our beloved little stars is normal and necessary in this thread. Believe me, everything is fine with them I think the discussion about money can end on this

 

[thedude]

The coaches always wear designer clothing and accessories at the boarding and in the K&C in the big events, so those exclusive brands know how to market their products and by whom to the affluent upper working class. Dudakov perhaps being the odd one out since he doesn't like being up front under the spotlights, but Tutberidze and Gleikengauz always look their smartest and even D. wears stylish black so he blends in.

Eteri is laying the groundwork for something besides coaching. She's starting to use social media more, her skaters use the hashtag #teamtuterbridze on their postings. She also organized a show in Russia.
She's creating a brand and a business. If her skaters are able to continue to dominate the podium, she's the gateway to her skaters. In other sports, companies partner with the team to be official sponsor. Why would a company take a risk on just one skater when they can have all of them by partnering with Eteri instead. Yuna, Yuzuru, and Javier aren't just performers in shows, they're the organizers. That means if the shows are really successful, the organizers get the bulk of the money not the skaters, hence the Eteri organized show was a test.

Don't you dare short change Sergei Dudakov. Looks at this photo. You see a middle aged man, man whose face in the K&C is in agony because he has to sit next to some hysterical teenage girl, a face the says "I had to live through collapse of the Soviet Union for this?", a face that says "Hurry up judges with the score! I need a cigarette break".

In that photo, I see man smartly dressed in a turtleneck sweater, a man who wants turn his left and chastise the woman for wearing politically incorrect fur, a man restraining himself from yelling, "Faded denim!? What decade are we in? Is this Perestroika?"

 

[nussnacker]

Don't you dare short change Sergei Dudakov. Looks at this photo. You see a middle aged man, man whose face in the K&C is in agony because he has to sit next to some hysterical teenage girl, a face the says "I had to live through collapse of the Soviet Union for this?", a face that says "Hurry up judges with the score! I need a cigarette break".

In that photo, I see man smartly dressed in a turtleneck sweater, a man who wants turn his left and chastise the woman for wearing politically incorrect fur, a man restraining himself from yelling, "Faded denim!? What decade are we in? Is this Perestroika?"

LMAO
Well, Daniil is def most fashionable out of the trio!