Alexandra Trusova switching from Tutberidze to Plushenko

[eterialskater]

Jeffrey Buttle has worked with Yuna Kim, IIRC. So if Sasha has the privilege of working with him, she will not be the best female skater he has ever worked with.

Jeffrey and ShaeLynn, having worked with Yuzu, Javi and Nathan, have some small experience with accommodating many quads in programs

I have no idea who Sasha's choreographer will be. I have only watched her skate a few times, but is Sasha the one they had lifting her leg for half a second every other stroke? If so, she seems to be a much better skater than that and any choreo would be an improvement on that. But since I don't follow these ladies, that may not be her and I could be wrong.

Language skills are important, and I do not know how that would be handled, and could be a problem.

There is no need to pretend you don't know these girls. That's a ridiculous idea! I'm pretty sure these ladies who are scoring over 160's easily are literally living rent free in some people's head. And yes Sasha will be the best female skater these choreographers will get to work with. Let's just say 6 triples, backstroking and a lousy layback are not considered respectable and much less goat material even in juniors these days.

I'm just glad Sasha at least has more sense and been more responsible than Medvedeva when she left. If she becomes more sensible in her choices then this could become a really succesful partnership. I do hope Plushenko is a lot more attune to today's skating standards unlike his coach Mishin. Even back then his minimalist programs and hipshaking were already compared poorly to Yagudin. What more in the the age of Tutberidze where you can do a backflip entrance to a lutz and no one bats an eye.

 

[jenaj]

Most people don't leave their coaches when everything is perfectly fine with their skating. They often do that because of some problems and try to find someone else to help. Trusova, Tarakanova, Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva weren't as good as their old selves when they left. And the thing is, we don't really have a 'control group' of skaters who remained with Eteri until the end of their career to see how skaters usually progress when they do not switch coaches. The closest to such skater is Zagitova, but she isn't definitely retired, and Kanysheva, but she retired due to injury and never got to compete under Eteri.

I'm not sure I agree with that as a general rule. Case in point: Yuna Kim left Orser at the peak of her career. There was nothing wrong with her skating. Gracie Gold left Alex Ourashev for Frank Carroll apparently because of a personality conflict. There was nothing wrong with her basic skating and Frank even credited Alex for Gracie's generally excellent jumping technique. A lot of factors can go into coaching changes. Sometimes it is because a skater wants to return to her home country or because the coach is training a competitor at the same time. I actually think that is the reason Yulia left Eteri. It was obvious that the new favorite in that group was Evgenia.

 

[sparklestan]

It is striking that she and her parents were already shopping around for coaches during Russian Nationals. Which means 1 bronze and she's out, which is very presumptuous of her.

Perhaps results were not the only motivation behind this move.
Eteri’s camp is great, it is proven to be the best in the world for girls Sasha’s age; however, if Sasha is unhappy there I don’t see any reason why she should stay.

 

[Edwin]

I'm not sure I agree with that as a general rule. Case in point: Yuna Kim left Orser at the peak of her career. There was nothing wrong with her skating. Gracie Gold left Alex Ourashev for Frank Carroll apparently because of a personality conflict. There was nothing wrong with her basic skating and Frank even credited Alex for Gracie's generally excellent jumping technique. A lot of factors can go into coaching changes. Sometimes it is because a skater wants to return to her home country or because the coach is training a competitor at the same time. I actually think that is the reason Yulia left Eteri. It was obvious that the new favorite in that group was Evgenia.

Perhaps this is why Eteri Georgiyevna is apparently so stung. She thought she was not making the same mistake again, by showing favouritism, but perhaps the opposite of favouritism to Trusova?

Zheleznyakov is quite vocal about this, but given his long standing relationship with Tutberidze, perhaps too emotionally involved?

 

[Alex65]

So wasn't Evgenia and Yulia.

You can think and say whatever you want, but it is definitely not like that. Why dissemble?

 

[Flutzel]

I think my concern with saying that Sasha switching to Plushenko is a problem because Eteri has the best results is that Eteri has yet to prove that she can keep a woman on her ice past the age of 18. You could make the argument that switching to a different coach is a clever move if you want to at least have a chance of your career going on when the next best thing gets brought to seniors out of Eteri's junior ranks. And hell, Zagitova staid with Eteri and she wasn't having much luck against the 3A this season, was she? So remaining with Eteri doesn't seem to be the silver bullet, either.

In that, it's at least going to be interesting that we might now finally see an Eteri Faithfuls vs. Eteri Rebellion face-off (albeit still between under-18s) between three young women who all started in the same season and all were the next best thing simultaneously. I'm really looking forward to it! You couldn't even ask for a more dramatic story arc from a TV show with writers.

 

[Fried]

And here a pinch of humor.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_-Eln4pU8H/?igshid=13o4sl15fhd5q

 

[nussnacker]

I think my concern with saying that Sasha switching to Plushenko is a problem because Eteri has the best results is that Eteri has yet to prove that she can keep a woman on her ice past the age of 18. You could make the argument that switching to a different coach is a clever move if you want to at least have a chance of your career going on when the next best thing gets brought to seniors out of Eteri's junior ranks. And hell, Zagitova staid with Eteri and she wasn't having much luck against the 3A this season, was she? So remaining with Eteri doesn't seem to be the silver bullet, either.

In that, it's at least going to be interesting that we might now finally see an Eteri Faithfuls vs. Eteri Rebellion face-off (albeit still between under-18s) between three young women who all started in the same season and all were the next best thing simultaneously. I'm really looking forward to it! You couldn't even ask for a more dramatic story arc from a TV show with writers.

Alina doesn’t have a quad or 3A, so yes she fell behind naturally, but she still showed better overall results than any other russian this year, including those, who have those jumps. 79 in the short and 150+ in the free, GPF 3rd year in a row.

I agree about TV show though. Russian figure skating could be a Netflix show with all the plot twists we’ve seen thus far and they are filming Spinning Out. Smh

 

[fabienne1996]

Anyone think Plushenko has no other option than to fall back on his coaching. Life is going to change after covid 19, social distancing rules and regulations surrounding large gatherings concerts & events will have huge impacts on shows worldwide. I think he has to now look at the academy as his main source of income now & to succeed he needs the big name skaters.
Also sad for the skaters who didn't make it to elite level & were relying on the shows.
This is very much a calculated decision from Plushenko too & I think he will be very active in trusovas training.

In One year or 2 (or as soon as there is a relativley safe vaccine or other medication)we probably will not even think about covid19 that much anymore. And the world will be again like it was before, and yeshuge events will also take place In the future.

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[fabienne1996]

Jeffrey Buttle has worked with Yuna Kim, IIRC. So if Sasha has the privilege of working with him, she will not be the best female skater he has ever worked with.

Jeffrey and ShaeLynn, having worked with Yuzu, Javi and Nathan, have some small experience with accommodating many quads in programs

I have no idea who Sasha's choreographer will be. I have only watched her skate a few times, but is Sasha the one they had lifting her leg for half a second every other stroke? If so, she seems to be a much better skater than that and any choreo would be an improvement on that. But since I don't follow these ladies, that may not be her and I could be wrong.

Language skills are important, and I do not know how that would be handled, and could be a problem.

I think that was kamila with the leg kicking, which I personally found too much

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[fabienne1996]

It is striking that she and her parents were already shopping around for coaches during Russian Nationals. Which means 1 bronze and she's out, which is very presumptuous of her.

Or mabye it was also something else and not only about the medal. That too but mabye not the only reason. We do not know what happens behind the scenes, how her relationship to her trainers was , if there had been arguments or whatever, and I do not think we will know. We should respect Sasha and her parents decision, if it was a fault or not that remains to be seen. And I do think since they can't train on ice at the moment at all and depending on when they can begin to train again on ice, the season high beginn later or mabye there won't even be a real season.bu what I know that probably all skaters will need time to getbtheir jumps back etc. And it may be that we will not see a perfect skate in the first event at all, depending on when that first event would be and how much they trained before that

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[fabienne1996]

Alina doesn’t have a quad or 3A, so yes she fell behind naturally, but she still showed better overall results than any other russian this year, including those, who have those jumps. 79 in the short and 150+ in the free, GPF 3rd year in a row.

I agree about TV show though. Russian figure skating could be a Netflix show with all the plot twists we’ve seen thus far and they are filming Spinning Out. Smh

And still point wise alina seasons best of last season lies behind the seasons best of zhenya, for example , if I remember correctly.

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[eterialskater]

And still point wise alina seasons best of last season lies behind the seasons best of zhenya, for example , if I remember correctly.

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If you'd been really watching last season or had the sense to check Wikipedia you'd know Medvedeva barely scored past 75+ and did not hit 150 at all. There is really no need to spread this kind of disinformation.

 

[fabienne1996]

If you'd been really watching last season or had the sense to check Wikipedia you'd know Medvedeva barely scored past 75+ and did not hit 150 at all. There is really no need to spread this kind of disinformation.

I meant the end points , it's not a disinformation cause from what I know there is a list that shows the seasons best of last season and alina is behind zhenya in that list , that list also has been posted more than once in the Russian ladies thread as far as I remember.

Alina season best total score last season was at NHK trophy , total points of 217.99 and zhenyas season best was rostelecom cup with 225.76 points, even Liza tuktic had a better seasons best then alina last season if we are beeing specific.

And before you scream misinformation , as you told me to do I looked it up on the internet , and Wikipedia has a great list of that if you were to look at it you would see that that me saying that zhenyas seasons best was higher than alinas is the truth
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[NAOTMAA]

As for Trusova was lacking attention, it's just laughable. In my opinion, she had the most attention from the coaching team last season by far. So the attention argument I don't get. It's a different thing to talk about the strategy to follow.

I honestly don't get that argument either and I agree with you overall but maybe in her head strategy and attention became the same thing. Too much time with Eteri doing spins and other stuff and not enough time with Eteri doing jumps. If she wasn't spending her time with the big coaches prioritizing jumps then she wasn't getting a good practice. That's just my guess

 

[eterialskater]

I meant the end points , it's not a disinformation cause from what I know there is a list that shows the seasons best of last season and alina is behind zhenya in that list , that list also has been posted more than once in the Russian ladies thread as far as I remember.

Alina season best total score last season was at NHK trophy , total points of 217.99 and zhenyas season best was rostelecom cup with 225.76 points, even Liza tuktic had a better seasons best then alina last season if we are beeing specific.

And before you scream misinformation , as you told me to do I looked it up on the internet , and Wikipedia has a great list of that if you were to look at it you would see that that me saying that zhenyas seasons best was higher than alinas is the truth
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And that's relevant because? As far as I know neither Medvedeva nor Tuktamysheva managed to qualify for GPF. Are we gonna haggle season end points when they couldn't even get the necessary points to qualify for the GP finale. As far as I can see Zagitova still managed to hit levels close to her best last season. TBF to Medvedeva her LP's in Rostelecom and Canada were also close to her best. But did the judges reward her for it? Even an imperfect Zagitova still manage to outscore her.

 

[Ophelia]

And that's when the wheels really started falling off the wagon. I remember around that time, and after, all the talks online were, "she's now going to try xxxx quads!" and "she's working harder on the 3A in pratice and might go for it!" There was no stay the course and try to skate cleaner/better. At Euros they tried to throw in the kitchen sink and of course it failed.

I think when looking back now, after the GPF, it was clear that Aleksandra's vision of her skating and what Eteri and co were trying to do for her no longer matched. There probably was some arguing about what to do and Euros was the result of that. I guess the split was inevitable and it wasn't about Eteri having too many top skaters and she's only #3 but what direction does her skating take.

I think getting one bronze and then losing faith in your coaching team is an extreme knee jerk reaction, and speaks more to Trusova's mindset that somehow she is entitled to sweep the podiums, which is a misguided view.

 

[vorravorra]

Yes, I get that, and by the way, I'm not speaking from Eteri's perspective, wasn't she the one who changed the most layouts during the season among the three of them or 4 if you want. Isn't it time and effort to include change layout, adjust the choreography each time? What can then Kostornay say who didn't even have a new program? We always speaking relatively compare to others in the team of course. Otherwise, there is not much to talk about that argument.

Endless layout changes were Sasha's whim and Eteri was compelled to abandon everyone else and go along with it? When a skater with another coach gets that sort of unsuccessful jump reshuffling the first thing that is said is "the team does not know what to do with them". Somehow in Eteri's case all the successes are chalked up to her genius and all the failures are due to the students' recalcitrance.

 

[layman]

I think getting one bronze and then losing faith in your coaching team is an extreme knee jerk reaction, and speaks more to Trusova's mindset that somehow she is entitled to sweep the podiums, which is a misguided view.

She is a two time World Junior Champion though who failed to win any of the major competitions in her first season as a Senior. I am sure she wanted (and expected) better results.

 

[flanker]

And still point wise alina seasons best of last season lies behind the seasons best of zhenya, for example , if I remember correctly.

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You remember it correctly, when it comes to total score. Still, Alina's best scores for SP and FP separately are higher. Best SP score: Alina - 79.60, Zhenya - 76.93; best FS score: Alina - 151.15 (if I do not count JO, where Alina's FS score was 154.41), Zhenya - 148.83, just like Nussnacker has pointed out. But I don't think there is a point in this. After all, I was told many times that you can't compare across the competitons. In direct competition, Alina always defeated Zhenya since she went to seniors. Alina is also the only lady who was able achieve scores above 80 in SP and above 150 in the FS without 3A or quad repeatedly under the new system.