O yeah, this was what crossed my mind when I posted, as well as his habit of doing quads dangerously close to the boards.
Seeing him do that rope trick live almost gave me a coronary.
Alexei YAGUDIN: “I’M COMING BACK”
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O yeah, this was what crossed my mind when I posted, as well as his habit of doing quads dangerously close to the boards.
Seeing him do that rope trick live almost gave me a coronary.
Hmmmm... looks like he's already pulling his old game face off the shelf... a little more dusting and polishing and the two most colorful personalities in men's skating will have us all chattering like squirrels for the next 2.5 years...
Indeed the rope tricks are spectacular but they are not moves in the field (probably moves in the air
)As for the quads close to the boards, almost all the skaters do them close to the boards because they feel safer. So nothing dangerous there , au contraire.
Unlike Yagudin Plushenko is not a pro skater, so he does not need to be allowed by ISU to come back....
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No, what I'm saying is that when professionals were allowed back into the ranks during the prior period, no explanation was necessary.
The ISU can make an exception to its rules through its own arcane procedures, or it can change the rule, which, in my opinion, would be the right thing to do. I would think that Yagudin (or Piseev) would have to make a case for it and provide the ISU with an explanation, but the ISU has no obligation to explain its actions, whether they reject the reinstatement request, accept it, or change the rule.
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:scratch: I'm confused Joe - you asked Hockeyfan how it was that Ito re-instated in 1995 and you got the answer. What it has to do with 2007 has clearly been stated - Nothing the re-instatement rules were abolished recently. It's all about the elligibilty rules that MM posted.
As with anything in life you can always appeal something, question it, formally demand to be exempted from it.
All of the "claims" of old stars that they will re-instate has always just been to get some press - Baiul has not been in competitive shape for so many years that any claim from her that she would re-instate is laughable. Lipinski claiming to want to re-instate is not even funny - she could barely walk, let alone skate when the claims were being made.
Ant
I agree with the person who said Plushenko is pulling his old game face off the shelf and is currently dusting and polishing it up...
Any more news from the Plushenko camp on the progress he's (hopefully) making in the rehabilitation and practice sessions?
Two pictures comes to mind: One of Plushenko gritting his teeth, thinking he won't let Yagudin steal his thunder and the other of Yagudin thinking, must steal thunder.
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They are colourful indeed, but somehow the very thought of Plushenko fans vs Yagudin fans part deux is making me tired already. LOL.
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Honestly, I don't understand how we can discuss it seriously. This is all so unreal that to my mind the only reason for such claims is Yagudi's desire to make people talk about him. As you can see the goal is achieved - there is plenty of talks. Just try to come down to earth and weigh Yagudin's chances.
There are no chances at all, even in his best time he could compete with today's leaders only in one thing - jumps . And now there is no even this. Just don't beat breast right now and don't try to prove that the best of the guys will always remain the best. It's not like that and the best PR and the most pathetic interviews won't be able to change that. Just try to be realistic.
There are no chances at all, even in his best time he could compete with today's leaders only in one thing - jumps . And now there is no even this. Just don't beat breast right now and don't try to prove that the best of the guys will always remain the best. It's not like that and the best PR and the most pathetic interviews won't be able to change that. Just try to be realistic.
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Thank you, Hockeyfan -That's what I was looking for. The ISU is under no obligation to explain its actions. I conclude the ISu is very omnipotent. and its decisions depend on the pressure of a Federation looking for an exception.
Joe
Ant - Check out Hockeyfan's explanation and my response.
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Actually i'd disagree with you about this. Yes he had the jumps but he had much much more. The footwork, the presentation, the speed, the flow, the ice coverage, the musicality. His spins might not have been the best, but they didn't need to be under 6.0.
Ant
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Just out of interest have you heard of any other skaters (besides Yagudin) who have made claims that they would want to come back?
Ant
Plush and Yags are really suited for each other (it’s a pity they can’t do pairs). For months, after he won the OG, Plush was the darling of the Russian media, giving interviews left and right. There were interviews/articles/mentions in the newspapers/TV daily.
Strangely, for some time, the interviews with Push seem to have stopped (I wonder why) and, guess who is carrying the relay: Yags who now he is everywhere. Of course, coincidentally, the TV show is about to begin.
Though I do believe that Yags could really feel the desire to compete again, I wonder why doesn’t he begin with the beginning and thinks to approach ISU only next year?
He must be sure of a positive answer from ISU otherwise, why wait until next year? Would it hurt to become eligible NOW even if he can’t compete?
Or may be he still has to participate in some pro events (contracts already signed) and only afterwards he’ll want to become eligible?
Strangely, for some time, the interviews with Push seem to have stopped (I wonder why) and, guess who is carrying the relay: Yags who now he is everywhere
. Of course, coincidentally, the TV show is about to begin. Though I do believe that Yags could really feel the desire to compete again, I wonder why doesn’t he begin with the beginning and thinks to approach ISU only next year?
He must be sure of a positive answer from ISU otherwise, why wait until next year? Would it hurt to become eligible NOW even if he can’t compete?
Or may be he still has to participate in some pro events (contracts already signed) and only afterwards he’ll want to become eligible?
I have heard on other boards that Oksana Baiul made great efforts to do so -- pointing out that she was 16 when she "went pro" and arguing that she was pressured to make the decision to do so. $peedy was unmoved. I am not sure, though, about the state of Oksana's skating at the the time.
You don't think the addition of Brian fans, Stephane fans, Johnny fans, Evan fans, etc. to the mix will spice things up a little?
BTW, we need names for the fans of the male skaters -- the equivalent of "Sashaholic" for Cohen fans
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That was/is not my interest. My interest is in the legality of the procedure of requesting an exception.
Joe
Again, try to be realistic. He never skated the programe with difficult footwork, good spins and intricate choreo. His musicality cannot be compared with Lambiels, Weirs, Battles. The Speed? The ice coverage? Yes, but now we have good skaters with difficult footwork, good spins, intricate choreo, the speed, the flow, the ice coverage.
You are overstating everything. You all liked intensity of emotions in the past so much that you want to bring it back by any means. But I think it's a huge mistake to hold onto the past and do not notice the value of present. Moreover the value of the past is overestimated by perfect PR (Viva, Goryachkin!).
Perhap, Alexy doesn't have anything in his life except for sports and he decided to entertain the others and himself in such a way but I repeat myself - try to be realistic.
By the way, I was surprised by the Russian internet-fans reaction. Alexy must have expected more interest to his fairy tales..
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But if there is no-one else who wants to re-instate then who would question the exception rather than a rule change? Legality i think is a strong word - its not they're a public body like a government or police/fire service. They're a private organisation who can change their internal rules as they see fit. Sally Stapleford et al saw what happens if you try to challenge the ISU legally. There is no doubt left in anyone's mind that the ISU do whatever they want, however they want to.
Ant
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I am being realistic - back in the day Yagudin was more than just the jumps. Our opinions on his skating may but it is a fact that footwork and basic skating is something that skaters keep forever and are more likely to get back up to the elite level than they are jumps and spins - look at Browning.
Ant
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