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I haven't seen a single Russian man medal since I've started watching figure skating.
oh man I was lucky to watch Plushenko and all his drama, platinum medal included. Had you seen any russian male skater winning an olympic medal or not wouldn't make a difference since they would never speak against their regime.
Plushenko himself being the biggest example of this, he was even part of that said regime himself, no? He joined a pro-Kremlin party. If I am not mistaken he was pretty awful in that "legislative" career.
 
unfortunately these kids have no idea. they are raised and brought up in this narcissistic culture and environment and are taught to believe it is right. it's all they know. they have no reason to believe it's wrong or an issue.
Matvey Vetlugin, on Channel 1 stream, on February 24th, called for peace. The amount of Russians who left in the 90's, like me, and whose kids now coming on ice under the other flags tells you otherwise. Given an option to leave, many leave.
 
At this point we need to stop and re-evaluate this naive idea that sports unite nations. North Korea was allowed to participate in the Olympic Games but I doubt anything changed for those athletes. It's all just for show and we should stop buying into this clownery.
I take your point and I don't disagree, but I also remember how well Nelson Mandela used sport to unite a very divided South Africa. He had some very wise things to say about the unifying power of sport.

“Sport has the power to change the world. [applause] It has the power to inspire, it has the power to unite people in a way that little else does. It speaks to youth in a language they understand. Sport can create hope, where once there was only despair. It is more powerful than governments in breaking down racial barriers. It laughs in the face of all types of discrimination.”



Nelson Mandela and the role of sport in creating change

Nelson Mandela and the power of sport

Rugby has traditionally been the sport of the white minority but Mandela supported it as equally as football. Sport was the best tool to connect him with people he would have otherwise hardly reached. By wearing the Springboks’ jersey at the final of the World Cup, he transformed a sport once dividing people into one which unified and brought them together.

Mandela understood the social and political uses of sport very well. He also happened to use sport, during his presidency, as a means of peaceful integration and transformation. Not all people do so - but they could stand to learn from Mandela, in that regard.
 
yup.. i can see how the quotas for Russia will simply be frozen. The fairest way is to let skaters earn spots from this year's worlds based on the actual event, and freeze Russia's quotas from 2021 worlds for the 2023 event. Very simple and fair.
That is what happened (for all countries) when 2020 Worlds was cancelled, as I recall.
 
And something like that should never happen again.
Should China had hosted the Olympics in 2022?

My government here, in Canada, tells me that I am committing a genocide. That I live on stolen land as a colonialist.
 
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Not the Worlds though, when every country competes. Are you alleging that Aliev and Kondratyuk use forbidden substances?
I’m alleging that Russia has state sponsored doping.

Whether an athlete participates isn’t the point in this instance, more that it exist.

Also, Kolyada has a world medal from 2018and Olympic medal from 2018 that’s not THAT long ago.
 
I take your point and I don't disagree, but I also remember how well Nelson Mandela used sport to unite a very divided South Africa. He had some very wise things to say about the unifying power of sport.





Nelson Mandela and the role of sport in creating change

Nelson Mandela and the power of sport



Mandela understood the social and political uses of sport very well. He also happened to use sport, during his presidency, as a means of peaceful integration and transformation. Not all people do so - but they could stand to learn from Mandela, in that regard.


I want to believe sport still inspires people and bring good values to the youth but these days the societies and the governments are extremely cynical to everything including the values brought by sports.
It's a shame, but it is what it is.
 
kolyada 2018
Didn't watch that. :) Wasn't aware there was worlds at the time, heh. I watched Olympics that year, and was pretty sure Virtue/Moir were both ice-dance and pair skaters. But, I like, saw Uno and Zagitova... that's probably all I really noticed in 2018.
 
If you can't beat them then ban them. The Worlds after Olympics have always been considered second rate. This year it will be third rate and a circus of geopolitics.

I don't think the paradigm of "everyone's complaining because they're afraid Russia will take all their medals"
is super appropriate for this specific situation, especially for an event you yourself are describing as second or third rate.
 
that's unfortunate. you know how much i love aliev and makar... and misha...but what i wish the most for them is to live in a safe place where they can speak freely and skate freely.
I'd happily adopt Mozalev or Kutovoy or Murav'yeva if it helped, but no, things would never change for better in Russia. Again, I don't object to the ban, only to the gloating and the rule about country change being dictated also by RusFed. I applaud Malinin's and Gogolev's etc parents, but everyone else is going to suffer.
 
I’m alleging that Russia has state sponsored doping.

Whether an athlete participates isn’t the point in this instance, more that it exist.

Also, Kolyada has a world medal from 2018and Olympic medal from 2018 that’s not THAT long ago.
Before my time, and if you chose to believe that, you should support giving skaters the ability to leave the system instead of locking them down more on the proposal of RusFed. In case they are actually, you know, good people, who want out as they grow up. I had the option to leave and make my life and practice my profession, and I want that for them as well.
 
I mean their careers were ruined by the state sponsored doping IMO. I look back at all those medals and they are tainted.

State sponsored is the key here. Their careers are once again a casualty of their state and it’s deplorable actions.

I have yet to see any active Russian skaters speak out in opposition to what is happening and thus are complicit/in support of their governments actions.
So I suppose all the tests they pass were wrong or the testing bodies are incompetent??
 
Wow, please stop trying to make this unfair because other countries wasn´t banned. This is so much more bigger.

Please remember that this statement comes after IOC has strongly encouraged a ban over all sports disciplines, this is just not in figure skating. Every other sport does this now. Even FIS has turned around after massive pressure, but they didn´t ban the athlete first. The host doens´t want them either. Seriously, how do you expect that ISU was going to be the only organizer who doesn´t ban the athletes, when everybody else does it? That would look extremely bad and people would be furious.

I stand by ISU for making this decision now and don´t wait and give them false hope or put out another scandal like Olympic. If every other disciplines would ban the athletes except figure skating there would be exactly the same amount of negative media attention as with the doping scandal. The other athletes would not feel comfortable again with the situation, and it would be completely unfair for the others that another event would be overshadowed with another scandal. The athletes involved doesn´t deserve the negative attention that would be brought to them if they were allowed to compete. They don´t deserve it. Imo ISU is protecting them for not putting them in a position were they would constantly need to defend themselves again.

And for those who like to point out that it´s unfair that skaters doesn´t get their chance to medal or get their experience at WC. Please let me remind you that during the first year of the pandemic a lot of skaters from a lot of countries wasn´t able to compete at all because of their own countries strict travel restrictions. Some skaters did sit back an entire season internationally. ISU still decided to have some few competition where certain countries had an advantage because their skaters was able to go because of their countries policy. I don´t remember so many people calling about the unfairness then. Skaters retired because of this, they were unable to attend WC because they never had a fair shot of earning the minimums, the same WC where ISU would give out most of the spots for Olympic, making it almost impossible for those skaters/countries to get a spot later at NT.
 
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