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Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

I love Plushenko for really wanting to try to bring his a-game. Was about time someone stepped up. No more LPs with jump content that won medals in the eighties, no more stupid calculating by a certain Frenchman, no more programs with junior jump content with a note "Bbb... bu.. but - it has transitions!!" The King is back and if anybody else wants a Gold in Estonia, Canada and Italy, they better be in top-shape.

Thank you. :)

I'm new here but a big skating fan since... erm, well, I watched skating from earlier but I became a real fan in 1994, I was "raised" on the raw talent of Mr Candeloro and the perfect artistry & skating poetry of Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean. To this day, no ice dancer couple managed to outshine those two- I keep following competitions but am always left with a bitter aftertaste.

As for Evgeni, he may have his flaws. Yes, he uses his arms. Oh my lord, he uses his arms. *shock* Imho, that is a lesser crime than someone jumping five quads and eighteen triples without anything remotely artistic put in between those jumps. Look at any and every Plushenko program and you will find not only top-quality jumps and jump combos, but perfect transitions, footwork that no one else can match (not the automatic, robotic type certain someones like to show on the ice), lovely artistic moves that bring LIFE into that program, spins that have been made better this season (they have, really) and if you are willing to look closely, watch his face AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. Why his fans love him so much. What he does to us. To this day, he is the only skater who not only can make the hair on my arm stand on edge, but make me cry and stop the rest of the world around me for those 3-5 minutes. Even with his flaws, he is a magical performer, one that brings the higher ideals closer to us, humans. I don't care if some jump more and better than he does, or if some others may be called more artistic than him. Yes, I won't hide the fact that Lambiel is another of my favourites and his performances are sometimes more artistic than Zhenya's. He will be an amazing guy at exhibitions, I have seen him, he was lethal. But he doesn't have the technical merit... and Joubert or others may have the technical merit but they don't have the artistry and the passion.

Face it, it's undeniable. When it comes to strength, passion and artistry, it's only one guy who has them all. And if that means he will throw his arms around a bit, well, he may throw them up and down as much as he likes, as far as I'm concerned. HE CAN AFFORD TO DO IT. :)

I realize this first post may have come across as something rude or arrogant, I apologize if I offended anyone. I've been around a while, I watched a lot of skating competitions, I have followed many skaters. I love a lot of male skaters, Takahashi, Lambiel, Verner, Johnny Weir (another big favourite), Candeloro was my idol... I love all French skaters but one (sorry...), Russian skaters are always good, Petrenko was amazing too, Elvis Stojko was as artistic as a lamp-post but because he came across as a genuinely nice bloke, I really loved him... I love to watch men's competitions, I can watch them unbiased. But Zhenya gives me more than all of these skaters together. He just does. It annoys me a little that people tend to pick at 1 little thing (his nose, his arms, his whatever) without looking at the big picture. He won more medals than anyone, gold, silver, everything, he's not only a champion but an entertainer, he's a favourite at exhibitions... remember his inventive programs? Assissai? Sex bomb? Skaters are still trying to outshine those ideas... He's brave, he's a fighter, and last but not least, ALWAYS fair to other skaters, he doesn't bash skaters publicly or otherwise. "Whoever is better should win" is his motto and that just adds to his values.

Having seen his first competition program in years, I'd say, a little bit more, Zhenya, and you will transform this skating season into SOMETHING ELSE.

Krisztina

PS: Damn I forgot Kurt Browning. From the list of favourites I mean. That man, even today, leads the whole pack!!!
 
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I am cautiously optimistic. If he is healthy, he will have a great chance of landing on the podium in the competitions he enters. I am praying for him for keeping a good health.:love:
 
me too I hope he stays healthy, cause he pushes a lot his technical and I m afraid a bit..
I assume the loop is in there on the basis that the loop in the 4-3-3 may become a double?
Ant
I think so too cause i dont know how he decided to go for a 4-3-3 in his comeback season since he has not done this combo since 2003 i think, so I m sure they have an alternative of 4-3-2. Can he do more than the previous Olys and try again 4-3-3? This is evidence that now he is threatened by ten skaters he tries his maximum and that's why he skated a bit aloof his long program in 2006. I would love to see Plush skating like he skated Carmen in 2002, going for it with all the risks!
As for the 3ax-3flip sequence, it is also very exciting to watch it, he earns impression points;) then he usually adds a 2 axel as a pass and I loved it when he did it right after circular seq:love:

lol, i need to quote this from the article that Ximena gave
And his movements are so expressive, not for nothing that his arms were compared with the hands of Maya Plisetskaya.
I m glad i m not the only one crazy around:unsure:

They gave a pretty good explanation of Chopin choreo and idea if you read, and while I dont like the Tango, I decided to shut up and support it cause Plush said it was his dream and he is pretty confident and happy when he skates it, which is nice to see him been excited for his program, main thing is to have fun with his comeback. :yes:
But I still laugh with Medusa's ghost:laugh:

wow Noondarkly, I think plushyta and I will give you the crown:pwelcome!:)
 
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He's brave, he's a fighter, and last but not least, ALWAYS fair to other skaters, he doesn't bash skaters publicly or otherwise. "Whoever is better should win" is his motto and that just adds to his values.

I may not love him or even like him a whole lot, but I think this needs to be reiterated. I think that's part of what made him a tremendous competitor. He wanted to earn it at all times.
 
didn't he and Alexi Yagudin jab each other with words in the media from time to time? I seem to remember their rivalry being pretty ugly (much like Johnny and Evan's war of words)
 
There were comments when Yag left Mishin but I dont remember anything harsh from them even the time the rival was full exposed on media, and they provoked the battle of the two with comments and questions, but if there were ugly words, still, they were too young and restless:laugh:
In later years and after yag retired, they asked him whose is his fav for gold in 2006 and he said Plush, and Plush said he missed him as competitor:biggrin: Boys..:rolleye:
Fact is that Plush has heard one gazillion stuff from media and he rarely answered back, stuff up until recently about him coming back and the weight he got, not very pretty adjectives from russian press, but since he competed last week in the minor competition, all suddently changed:sheesh: I think Mishin had to do with this also, his moto is "We talk on ice";)
 
To be fair, I don't recall Plushenko "jab" Yagudin at any time. The worst one I know (well, what do I know?;)) was when people asked Plushenko if he had learned anything from Yagudin? Plushenko answered, "Nothing." I have to say that at the hight of their rivalry, Plushenko was a gentler one among them two. One thing that was puzzling me was, after Yagudin had retired, Plushenko's image in the media has gradually turned negative.:scratch:
 
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.... and if you are willing to look closely, watch his face AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. Why his fans love him so much. What he does to us. To this day, he is the only skater who not only can make the hair on my arm stand on edge, but make me cry and stop the rest of the world around me for those 3-5 minutes. Even with his flaws, he is a magical performer, one that brings the higher ideals closer to us, humans....
... Face it, it's undeniable. When it comes to strength, passion and artistry, it's only one guy who has them all.....
.... But Zhenya gives me more than all of these skaters together...
... He's brave, he's a fighter, and last but not least, ALWAYS fair to other skaters, he doesn't bash skaters publicly or otherwise. "Whoever is better should win" is his motto and that just adds to his values....

Krisztina ...
As has been said seniorita - you deserve crown for your post :bow:
You all said, that I can not write with my poor english :agree:
Thanks a lot Krisztina ... and welcome :)

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.http://www.examiner.com/x-20118-Figure-Skating-Examiner~y2009m8d21-On-the-comeback-trail--Evgeny-Plushenko
August 21, Figure Skating Examiner, by Jackie Wong

On the comeback trail – Evgeny Plushenko
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Predictions.....

Olympic Games – 1st
If you remember this text :biggrin: ... one visitor has left his comment on it, and here's what the author of text reply :laugh:

http://www.examiner.com/x-20118-Figure-Skating-Examiner~y2009m9d12-Rinkside--829911-1-of-3
Ack... Plushenko. I really don't understand why his "presentation" scores were always so high. And his jumps... painful to watch. - Berlin (3 September),

- Jackie Wong:
Well, there has always been some debate, particularly from some in the American audience, as to how/why skaters like Evgeny Plushenko and Irina Slutskaya score so high in the second mark (the former Presentation mark and the current Program Components Score). In terms of “presentation,” by which I take it you are referring to artistry/choreography, it is a difference in preference. Plushenko and Slutskaya have a different following than that of, say, Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen.

One way or another, all four skaters have a strong connection with the audience that few other skaters have – and perhaps if you look at it based on performance quality rather than purely artistry, it would be easier to understand his scores. That said, I did find Plushenko’s skating at the 2006 Olympics to be quite aloof, with the exception of the step sequences.

Also, it is important to note that the second mark (even in the old system) was not purely an evaluation of artistry or interpretation – which was a reason that toward the later years of the 6.0 system, the second mark was no longer called “Artistic Impression.” The second mark should take into account a number of intangibles, which includes artistry, choreography, and interpretation of music. But it also includes elements such as program composition, skating skills, and clarity of movement. Plushenko had a great effortlessness in movement and a natural ability to generate great speed and power. Those aspects of his skating are sometimes underappreciated. And so even though his programs were not necessarily everyone’s cup of tea, it does not take away from the fact that, purely as a skater, he was superb.

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Parts from few texts about his competition at "St. Petersburg's Cup" (9-10.09.09) ;)

http://www.kp.ru/daily/24359/545054/
.... - Evgeni, congratulations on your victory! Evan Lysacek won the last world championship by dialing 242 points. You judge set yesterday 259.14. You expect, that your first performance will be rated higher than the «gold» skating of current world champion? :laugh:
- Let us not forget, that the tournament was held in Russia, and it was my first competitive performance after the three-year hiatus. Perhaps the judge wanted to encourage me a little bit, and showed favor against me. I am glad becuase others.... During the skating of an Long program, I jumped two quadruple jumps, and both complied. If my memory serves me, the last time I jumped two quadruple jumps in the Long program in 2003. In addition, I can be proud of a very complex combination of a triple Lutz and triple Salchow, (seniorita! ;)) which I also managed....

- How the body, after a three-year hiatus, responded to the load?
- No problems there, I feel great, positive attitude. On saturday I had a wedding, the next day we move in Novogorsk. Within five days I will be a mini-camps with a coach and choreographer. There are nuances, over which is to work. Then on Sept. 19 was waiting for me skating on the arena «Katok.RU», and the next day I was skating in Otdintsovo. In general, fully prepared to train and perform.

http://infox.ru/sport/winter/2009/09/11/Mishin__Do_Vankuvyer.phtml
Mishin: return of Plushenko is not profitably for all

.... « Already on wednesday all started ringing that Plushenko is back. It was not impossible to say then. But today, where Evgeni well skated long program, I'll say: Plushenko is back in amateur sports.
I am tormented by questions about the Olympics. What Olympics? Wake up! Athlete not competed for three years. To Vancouver, to us is still, like to fly into space! But we have to work, must move forward, what we are doing. A far guess, we do not want and will », - said Mishin....

... For universal rejoicing with his comeback, already now hear disparate voices, that are any good will not. Someone complains that the 27-year-old Plushenko has closed the road for young skaters, somebody said, that return of the champion - the usual PR stunt.
« "Bad-wishers" people is still a lot - believes Mishin. - There is a group of people, for which return Plushenko's is absolutely disadvantageously. But his performances have stirred not only Russian's figure skating, than also and the world. Type of sport develops only when there are strong athletes, it is the law. And those, who say that the return of Zhenya kills young skaters, just do not know the laws of sport, and are full nonsense ».....

... Now many think that is for Evgeni's performances and training very easy. But that apparent ease, it is very difficult for him, and for me too. We started training in mid-June, and this is just the beginning. We still have a lot to overcome: and failures, and mistakes, and God forbid, disease.
Complexities is very much. We must fight, how with objective factors - a strong skating rivals, thus and with the subjective - the biased judges, and with stings those who do not wish us well. The athlete not stands alone, with him is and coaches, choreographers, designers, judges, fans, press. To the dignity pass all tests, we must go together », - says Alexey....

http://www.sportsdaily.ru/news/alek...lera-vyirazhen-dazhe-silnee-chem-ranshe-42370
Alexei Mishin: Plushenko's killer instinct is expressed even stronger than before

- We have not pursued the goal is to show any new items, or perform complex program. We wanted simply to recall long-forgotten feeling of participation in competitions. Elements is relatively easy to configure, program should make difficult, all this is possible. But if an athlete has no sense of struggle, a sense of competition, killer instinct, then him will not save any elements. In this regard, commenting on the statement of Zhenya, I can say that he has these qualities, perhaps, expressed even stronger than before - Mishin said...

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... from his wedding, which is held 12.09.09. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uFafDIqiww
- download: http://en.swoopshare.com/file/65630...&Yana+Rudkovskaya++wedding+2009-09-12&lang=en

... much more: :laugh:
http://evgeni-plushenko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46&start=10

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.... One thing that was puzzling me was, after Yagudin had retired, Plushenko's image in the media has gradually turned nagetive. :scratch:
Talking about the American media? :unsure:
Well, Yagudin has lived in America, Plushy never ;)
.... and perhaps also some bored, because he was invincible :p
 
American media pretty much ignores mens figure skating except during US nationals, Worlds, and the Olympics... Plushy is just a footnote considering he hasn't competed since 2006, so I can't think that they have been at all negative...
 
didn't he and Alexi Yagudin jab each other with words in the media from time to time? I seem to remember their rivalry being pretty ugly (much like Johnny and Evan's war of words)

Oh sure there was rivalry. That's because they WERE each other's rivals. They were both technically competent, artistic, epressive, powerful, charismatic. Some preferred Alyosha's style, some loved Evgeni more. I personally never got to see Alexey's merits, I remember I was watching the competitions in 2001-2002 and there was this guy who won everything, Yagudin. But he didn't ignite any kind of fire inside me. Then came this UGLY (he was ugly at that time, LOL) boy with a gigantic nose and the way he moved, his hands, his face, and his fluidity on the ice, skating to amazing music (I think I fell in love with him when he picked the Jackson-medley, to this day a favourite program of mine), my fate was sealed. I still hear opinions that Yagudin was far better than Evgeni. I defended Zhenya to a certain point and then I gave up. Such arguments are almost religious, there is absolutely no point in trying to make the other one see something that you do... If there is a fire, good for you, whoever ignites the spark, Alexey, Joubert, Ponsero, Takahashi, Lambiel, or Plush.
Back to the rivalry, yes there was one, but mostly generated by the media. Those two have always been good friends privately, they basically grew up together, they trained next to Mishin at an early age, they knew each other well. But because Evgeni was always thinner, more fragile-looking, he was bullied by other skaters and I think Alyosha was kind to him. I don't think either of them will forget those beginnings.

Evan and Johnny are not rivals. They just fight against each other like two kindergarten kids. Besides, one of them is all fire, the other one is an angel. What is there to compare?! They are like an apple and a pear. I love them both!
 
Some thoughts on the past few posts here.

I respect Mishin for his attitude. He is humble and he has made Zhenya a very humble athlete. Neither of them underestimate anyone- okay, Mishin may have said a few things about Johnny or Lambiel but that was because he knew what they were technically capable of, at that time. Mishin knows Zhenya is far from ready and he also knows not everyone is happy about the return of Plushenko...

Plushyta, you're right, Yags moved to the States a long time ago and he is obviously received more favourably there than Plush.
Damn, I miss Eurosport with my two favourite commentators, Chris Howarth and the other guy... these two have always enjoyed good skating, they always spoke fairly about everyone. And the way they spoke accolades about Plush was a delight to listen to, LOOOOOL. :D

Tonichelle, Plush a footnote? *cough* :D

About his Olympic free skate, my friends and I were watching it at my house, together, with cake and champagne. We knew he was going to win. The way he shot toward the stars with his short skate pretty much sealed the deal. And yes, he did become quite lazy during Godfather, the second half. I remember we were sitting there and laughing our heads off... he basically lost the second half of his program and he still managed to win. What does that tell you? :p
I think many skaters are intimidated by Plush, but that is not his fault, is it? He fights for each win just like everybody else. Except during Godfather, he probably knew he could let go and he was probably mentally, physically and emotionally exhausted, he just wanted that darn gold in his hands finally, hahaha.

PS:Thanks for the welcome, Plushyta and Seniorita. :) but let's keep the crown for the King, shall we? :D
 
American media pretty much ignores mens figure skating except during US nationals, Worlds, and the Olympics... Plushy is just a footnote considering he hasn't competed since 2006, so I can't think that they have been at all negative...
I agree here but while he was competing, lots of articles from there that i had read online about Olys 2006 were very nice about him!:rock:
I ve kept the links for anyone who would be interested cause I liked them:yes:
Thanks for the welcome, Plushyta and Seniorita.
mr mm where are you? you forgot the welcome:p*

*Plushy footnote

speaking about talking about your rivals..ooops...and I had just started liking Jouby:rolleye:
http://www.lanouvellerepublique.fr/dossiers/sport/index.php?res=3&spo=Z&num=1369813
 
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speaking about talking about your rivals..ooops...and I had just started liking Jouby:rolleye:
http://www.lanouvellerepublique.fr/dossiers/sport/index.php?res=3&spo=Z&num=1369813
I read that a few days ago. The part about Joubert's dreams was kind of funny. the Plushenko comment lacked context for me, I couldn't figure out if Brian was joking, if he was serious but just trying to be honest (others have noted that Plushy's 2009-10 programs aren't great), or if it was totally inappropriate and mean. I'm leaning toward the second option but it's hard to say.
I think maybe he was saying it to make himself sleep better at night! Joubert's never had much love for Plush until he retired!
My impression is that he never really liked Plushenko's skating but that he respected his abilities - same as with Stephane Lambiel. Based on what I've read re Stephane and his training - or lack thereof - I think Joubert might not be off the mark in that case.
 
I m trying to be really objective but If plushy had said the same exact thing as Joubert he would be the arrogant one and people would have jumbed all over him...

And who else skater said plushy programs are not that great?Who said anything about Lambiel not coming back?Fans can say whatever they want, but co-athletes...since when this is honesty? Plush was asked the same question and said he is afraid of everyone, at least ten skaters...even if he doesnt believe it, well i prefer that kind of honesty..
saying that "let him keep the programs, it suits me, cause they have no transitions and not great quad"...well I really didnt expect transition comment from Joubert, honestly.
I didnt see any respect, and it is not the first time...anyway
Conclusion: am I the only one who has not seen the programs?:unsure:
 
I m trying to be really objective but If plushy had said the same exact thing as Joubert he would be the arrogant one and people would have jumbed all over him...
I don't think Joubert should have answered the question that way. I was just hoping the context would make it a bit better, because it is absolutely not something an athlete of his experience should say about a fellow competitor. Saying "I'm not concerned" is fine - he probably wants to project confidence - but commenting like that about the programs isn't the way to go. So I'm hoping he was misquoted, or that what he said has some good explanation.

I've been reading tons of stuff on forums and blogs about Plushenko's programs and how they're suited to 2006 CoP rather than 2009 CoP. I didn't mean other skaters have said anything. Re Lambiel, I took the comment to be along the lines of "I'll believe it when I see it". FWIW, I've read other recent interviews with Joubert and he wasn't making comments like this, so I really don't know what happened here.
 
I know, each one is responsible for his words but media can show a different image..maybe there is an explanation, but it is not the end of the world anyway:yes:
How everybody talks about Plushprograms when there are only videos that show some seconds of them...should I be worried?I havent had time to read much about Plushy new programs, and I havent seen them (I mean the ones that he skated in the competition), plushyta where do you hide them?:unsure:
I know only the programs at beginning of August in Korea..As far as I know Plush hasnt even decided which of the two sp he will skate at the end...
 
Oh, Brian, Brian... :biggrin:
I don't think Brian ever recovered from that moment at that championships... where was it, Europeans or Worlds... Plush won and Brian came in second or third... in any case he was walking toward the podium where Zhenya already stood with his gold, and he (Brian) TRIPPED right in front of Zhenya and he almost fell flat on his face before the Russian. That was pretty symbolic, no?
I'm sorry... there was a time I tried HARD to like this guy. I swear I did. I saw him for a skater like the rest, a man like everyone else, someone who fights forhis victories and weeps when he loses.
But over the years, there have been way too many similar comments from him. Anyone who is not a Plush-fan wouldn't notice them, but we who collected every single piece of news and media coverage, we did notice his malicious, petty behaviour. And the strange thing is, with the exception of one time when he dissed Lambiel, he has not done this to anyone else, but Plush. That has to mean something...
I'll say, he is VERY concerned.
 
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