Very well said! I congratulate Adelina on securing Russia's first ladies' singles gold medal (and skating what was a relatively clean program -- for her!), but I'm not happy with the way it was secured on the judges' part. We'll see in time if today was a terrible judging fluke, as most of us seem to think it is.
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Very well said! I congratulate Adelina on securing Russia's first ladies' singles gold medal (and skating what was a relatively clean program -- for her!), but I'm not happy with the way it was secured on the judges' part. We'll see in time if today was a terrible judging fluke, as most of us seem to think it is.
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My rankings:
SP FS
1.Kim Yu-Na 2 2
2.Adelina Sotnikova 3 3
3. Carolina Kostner 1 4
4. Mao Asada 16 1
5. Gracie Gold 4 7
6. Julia Lipnitskaya 5 5
7. Ashley Wagner 6 6
8. Akiko Suzuki 7 8
9. Polina Edmunds 8 10
10. Kanako Murakami 12 9
SP FS
1.Kim Yu-Na 2 2
2.Adelina Sotnikova 3 3
3. Carolina Kostner 1 4
4. Mao Asada 16 1
5. Gracie Gold 4 7
6. Julia Lipnitskaya 5 5
7. Ashley Wagner 6 6
8. Akiko Suzuki 7 8
9. Polina Edmunds 8 10
10. Kanako Murakami 12 9
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I don't know if already somebody answered your question. I saw a part of it, and K Witt was just shocked about the result I had the impression. She said she can't understand it and she is disappointed. I don't live in Germany so I don't know if it is in the "Mediathek", when you are outside of Germany you are not able to watch it online. She said also that figure skating should be about artistry and not only about the tecnical (or something like that). And she had goosebumps when Carolina and YuNa skated, that is true skating ... Maybe someone else can say more ...
I don't know if already somebody answered your question. I saw a part of it, and K Witt was just shocked about the result I had the impression. She said she can't understand it and she is disappointed. I don't live in Germany so I don't know if it is in the "Mediathek", when you are outside of Germany you are not able to watch it online. She said also that figure skating should be about artistry and not only about the tecnical (or something like that). And she had goosebumps when Carolina and YuNa skated, that is true skating ... Maybe someone else can say more ...
That's absolutely terrible to hear people are writing things on her wall. Bullying of any kind has no place in the world. She's simply a 17 year old girl that's dedicated herself to this sport and on the night it mattered most had the skate of her life.
I can't say I agree with the placements, or that I understand how the judges scored the programs, but she delivered and skated with excitement and passion. Yuna herself said she didn't have that desire for the Olympics this time around and you could kind of see it. Gorgeous as she is. For me, after two nights of skating Carolina was the best. Her sp should have sailed above the others and I thought she put together the most complete evenings of skating.
I also think during the Olympics it is sometimes valuable to hear what non skating fans have to say about what they see. Their knowledge is few and far between but sometimes it helps get past all the minute details and actually see the performance. So far I'm hearing from non skating ubers that Mao had the skate of the night (I still haven't seen it), but of the top 6 Adelina seems to have the majority of people's votes. Also Carolina was the other OMG moment of the night.
Personally I liked Carolina best of the top 6. And also knowing the scoring system I think relative to Adelina she should have been scored higher both nights. But I understand how people could watch Adelina and say THAT was the best.
I can't say I agree with the placements, or that I understand how the judges scored the programs, but she delivered and skated with excitement and passion. Yuna herself said she didn't have that desire for the Olympics this time around and you could kind of see it. Gorgeous as she is. For me, after two nights of skating Carolina was the best. Her sp should have sailed above the others and I thought she put together the most complete evenings of skating.
I also think during the Olympics it is sometimes valuable to hear what non skating fans have to say about what they see. Their knowledge is few and far between but sometimes it helps get past all the minute details and actually see the performance. So far I'm hearing from non skating ubers that Mao had the skate of the night (I still haven't seen it), but of the top 6 Adelina seems to have the majority of people's votes. Also Carolina was the other OMG moment of the night.
Personally I liked Carolina best of the top 6. And also knowing the scoring system I think relative to Adelina she should have been scored higher both nights. But I understand how people could watch Adelina and say THAT was the best.
Unlurking just to say farewell to a beloved Queen! Kim Yuna may not be everyone's cup of tea but no one can dispute the legacy and respect she's leaving behind in the Figure Skating world. A champion through and through. Nerves of steel and with a heart of gold. One of the best ladies figure skater of all time! (but to me she's the BEST 
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I was truly disappointed with the result/judging. But still I'm happy with the fact that Yuna was able to do what she wanted to do in her last competitive season, that is to skate again another two clean programs in the biggest arena of the sports (back to back!). That in itself is already a very rare accomplishment. Earning her greater respect from colleagues, casual viewers and most especially her fans. For that she's already a winner to me and almost to everyone else I'm sure.
Congratulations again Queen Yuna! To quote someone from twitter, "a Queen is still a Queen even if her crown is silver!" Well she already has the gold too
She will be remembered and revered for a long time. A skater who owns world record scores & major championship titles, and who was never off the international podium her entire career!!! You truly are a league on your own.
Just want to add, I’m also so happy Mao got herself redeemed after the SP! So glad she's able to end her 2nd Olympics with the smile on her face. I was hoping her and Yuna will end up on the podium side by side with Carolina. Because to me, they are the greatest Trio of this sports. They inspire each other to be the best everytime they compete together in events (more with Mao & Kim though as they're pitted against each other since Juniors). Mao is great in pushing the technical aspect of the sport, Carolina on the other hand the artistry & maturity and Kim with the excellence in execution and right balance of technical & artistry. So each of these three brings something to the field everytime they compete. I will truly miss them. They're the greatest skaters of my era. They set a great example for the upcoming ones. And so another era begins...
). I was truly disappointed with the result/judging. But still I'm happy with the fact that Yuna was able to do what she wanted to do in her last competitive season, that is to skate again another two clean programs in the biggest arena of the sports (back to back!). That in itself is already a very rare accomplishment. Earning her greater respect from colleagues, casual viewers and most especially her fans. For that she's already a winner to me and almost to everyone else I'm sure.
Congratulations again Queen Yuna! To quote someone from twitter, "a Queen is still a Queen even if her crown is silver!" Well she already has the gold too
She will be remembered and revered for a long time. A skater who owns world record scores & major championship titles, and who was never off the international podium her entire career!!! You truly are a league on your own.Just want to add, I’m also so happy Mao got herself redeemed after the SP! So glad she's able to end her 2nd Olympics with the smile on her face. I was hoping her and Yuna will end up on the podium side by side with Carolina. Because to me, they are the greatest Trio of this sports. They inspire each other to be the best everytime they compete together in events (more with Mao & Kim though as they're pitted against each other since Juniors). Mao is great in pushing the technical aspect of the sport, Carolina on the other hand the artistry & maturity and Kim with the excellence in execution and right balance of technical & artistry. So each of these three brings something to the field everytime they compete. I will truly miss them. They're the greatest skaters of my era. They set a great example for the upcoming ones. And so another era begins...
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I think I'm just going to pretend that Adelina did a 3Lutz+3Loop at the start, like she used to. It's the poor judging that made her stop doing that combination anyway.
Congratulations to all the medalists!
Up to Mao it was a hot mess, but lots of nice performances after that. So happy Mao was able to skate so well. Mao's FS is one of my favorite Olympic moments of all time.
Very proud of our US ladies! They weren't flawless, but lots of personal bests and all three finish in the top ten. If Polina and Gracie continue on an upward trajectory, the future looks bright. Also looking forward to more from Katie Osmond, the French skater, Julia and the young South Koreans. May you all survive the puberty monster.
The top three ladies all really brought it. Can't remember seeing such strong performances from the top three at an Olympics before. I think you could make an argument for any of them to win the OGM.
I know there are lots of unhappy folks, but I hope they can keep their feelings about the judging separate and celebrate some great performances by these athletes.
For me, I'm fine with the podium, but I'm not gonna jump into the fray arguing about it either way.
Up to Mao it was a hot mess, but lots of nice performances after that. So happy Mao was able to skate so well. Mao's FS is one of my favorite Olympic moments of all time.
Very proud of our US ladies! They weren't flawless, but lots of personal bests and all three finish in the top ten. If Polina and Gracie continue on an upward trajectory, the future looks bright. Also looking forward to more from Katie Osmond, the French skater, Julia and the young South Koreans. May you all survive the puberty monster.
The top three ladies all really brought it. Can't remember seeing such strong performances from the top three at an Olympics before. I think you could make an argument for any of them to win the OGM.
I know there are lots of unhappy folks, but I hope they can keep their feelings about the judging separate and celebrate some great performances by these athletes.
For me, I'm fine with the podium, but I'm not gonna jump into the fray arguing about it either way.
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well said and I agree for the most part. I do believe argument can be made for Kim or Sotnikova to win gold but it was wonderful skating and people shoud not be doign mean things to Adelina because they disaagree with the results. Thank you Ryan Bradley.
Absolutely. I think she doesn't do the 3 loop because of injuries to her back, but that is beside the point.
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On ESPN Winter Olympics page, under Adelina's picture, it says "Home-Ice Advantage". Just earlier, it said, "Home Cooking" and I guess they were pressured to change the headline...
http://espn.go.com/olympics/winter/2014/figureskating/
http://espn.go.com/olympics/winter/2014/figureskating/
I just come home from that traitorous icy road, and WHAT IS THIS?
I just come home from that traitorous icy road, and WHAT IS THIS?
I just come home from that traitorous icy road, and WHAT IS THIS?
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...keeps playing in my head. What is this?
I just come home from that traitorous icy road, and WHAT IS THIS?
I just come home from that traitorous icy road, and WHAT IS THIS?
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...keeps playing in my head. What is this?
No, I am telling you that Slutskaya should have won the SP in SLC, but she was hosed in the scoring and that's the only reason why Adelina is the "first Russian lady to Win Olympic Gold." The only reason why Sarah Hughes was able to win in SLC, is cause Irina Slutskaya was hosed in that SP. Russia did file an inquiry into that result but it was denied.
Who cares about the jeering. It happens at a lot of places, and in a lot more "concentration-heavy" sports than Figure Skating. At the 1996 Olympics the competitors form other countries filed complaints about the crowd making so much noise in the Gymnastics competition. Some of the gymnasts could barely hear their floor music. They had to work balance beam with that.
At the (1999 IIRC) Worlds in China the crowd was disgusting but the gymnasts dealt with it. Maybe they should have not given them the Olympics because of that.
At one of the Pan Am games the Brazilian crowd laughed at gymnasts that had falls off the beam and other apparatus. They dealt with it and moved on. Next Summer Olympics are in Rio. Maybe they should have not given them the Olympics because of that?
Also, her scores weren't just raised by 50 points in two months. Sotnikova is performing WAY better than she did at the GPF or even the European championships. It's apples and oranges. Also, Kostner wouldn't have scored 140+ for that tight performance at Euros I'm sure. I'm wondering if the people saying Kostner should have won actually watched her FS or only heard she was "clean" from another superfan...
I don't care about Putin. I live in the USA. I had no eggs in this basket. The best we could do was Bronze and that chance was lost when Gracie Gold was tight on virtually all of her landings in the SP and lost a level on her spin and FW.
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Do you know what's the down side of this website? It's the fans like you who bash people's different taste and opinions while they insult no one or say anything bad. You sound like you have the rights to tell me that I should like this, like that, or I should not like Adelina because you think her performance is bad. My taste has nothing to do with yours, doesn't it?
So express my feeling about the result is not good, huh? I am okay with Adelina betting gold because I like her performance, I find it exciting and full of fire, if that is not enough for you, then I don't mind because that matters to me.
Do I think Adelina was over-scored in PCS? Yes. If it were me, I would give her 145 or 146.
Am I okay with Adelina being the first? Yes, technically I do find her worthy of it. It's just my taste is different from Yuna's fans.
I think Yuna was hurt by not doing the Grand Prix. I know it wasn't her fault, but the judges had no chance to see her programs and she had no chance to get feedback or build up a scoring precedent. The general consensus, among fans at least, was that her long program was not up to her usual standards. Maybe she could have made a switch, like Carolina did. But I'm not really sure how she could have improved her technical score. Maybe it just wasn't meant to be...
I agree a great way to look at it.
I think regardless of the result today, Yuna's legacy is pretty awesome. She basically was the first amazing figure skating in a country better known for its speedskating prowess. The fact that Yuna has not been off the podium EVEN ONCE is an amazing achievement that is unlikely to be matched anytime soon. In fact, I sort of feel bad for Julia Lipnitskaia, because she was actually on that path until she finished 5th at this competition. Alas, she still has time to build her own legacy and perhaps be on the podium for the rest of her career, which would be a pretty amazing result.
I think Yuna was disappointed that she didn't win, of course, but I got the sense that she was at peace with whatever the result was. The way she handled herself during this whole Olympics was quite refreshing -- she was cool as a cucumber. In the end, I think she probably is even more proud that she was able to bring two other Korean skaters with her (two skaters, despite their low placements who have a future in the sport).
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Aside the three medalists, I was impressed with Gracie how she held her nerves. I thought she was going to mess up with her cursed skating order right after Adelina and the crazy hometown cheering that went on. But surprisingly she seemed calm and focused as she hit the elements one-by-one albeit stone-faced looking at times. The only noticeable major technical glitch was the fall on her triple flip which I hope she can improve on during the off-season. She's been getting "e" on her flips consistently and this time was no exception either. I don't wish her to be a chronic lipper and I'm sure Frank will address the problem and work on it. After the departure of my favorites like Yuna, Akiko, and Carolina, Gracie is the one grabbing my heart the most at this point and I look forward to her developments and progress down the road.
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Thank you for your feedback. No, I don't seem to have received an answer yet.
Did it include mind-reading?
It was a really, really hostile environment. Fake smile or not, it was a smile, and I think that was remarkable given the circumstances.
It's actually very quantifiable.
Basically her smile was only made with her mouth and it wasn't consistent with the way the rest of her face was moving (or not moving).That is a mean-spirited thing to say. You find the fact some people are upset funny?
So the replay operator is a judge now? And what do Slovakia and Estonia have to do with Russia? If anything their relations with Russia are now very frosty because of the troubled past, especially in case of Estonia where there is a lot of anti-Russian sentiment.
Seriously, these kind of cold war mentality comments are:
a) based on prejudice
b) that's not what the problem with the judging is
No, Kwan didn't deserve to win the SP given her 3flip was cheated and her timing was clearly off on the step sequence. What does 2002 have to do with any of this, though? Two wrongs make a right?
http://static.isu.org/media/104183/program-component-explanations.pdf
That explains Kim's TES. It doesn't explain why Sotnikova's PCS were as high as they were.
In other words, Sotnikova's 'fire' justifies higher PCS all across the board. But no, the fact that she showed very good attack and energy doesn't suddenly make her edges and flow better than Kim's. It doesn't make her posture, carriage or lines better either and it doesn't make her movements more precise. It doesn't make her move in time with the music and it doesn't make her have choreography which reflects the musical phrases and has style and character appropriate to the music chosen. Yes, she satisfied the 'Projection' criteria of PE very well, I give her that.
