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oops nvm i thought you guys meant side by side srry
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I've seen some skaters who wrap their legs for some jumps, but not for all of their jumps. In my opinion, this completely dismisses the theory that they wrap their legs because of their body build. To me, it's just bad technique.
the leg wrap : on which jumps?
Skaters who wrap their legs tend to do so on the Lutz, Flip and Loop which are the jumps with the same foot for takeoff and landing (on the Z and F the last foot to leave the ice is the toe pick, and it's the landing foot too). So putting the free foot higher does not cause a problem regarding landing. It may even avoid it to be two-footed! On the other jumps that technique would be risky and finally usuless because there is a change of foot, and the free foot has to come down in the last phase to hit the ice first. That's very clear with Yukari Nakano : she has a high leg wrap on the Z, F and L and none on the S,T and A. Midori has a more moderate leg wrap, on the same jumps ... plus a little bit on the axel. Is she the exception confirming the rule?
Skaters who wrap their legs tend to do so on the Lutz, Flip and Loop which are the jumps with the same foot for takeoff and landing (on the Z and F the last foot to leave the ice is the toe pick, and it's the landing foot too). So putting the free foot higher does not cause a problem regarding landing. It may even avoid it to be two-footed! On the other jumps that technique would be risky and finally usuless because there is a change of foot, and the free foot has to come down in the last phase to hit the ice first. That's very clear with Yukari Nakano : she has a high leg wrap on the Z, F and L and none on the S,T and A. Midori has a more moderate leg wrap, on the same jumps ... plus a little bit on the axel. Is she the exception confirming the rule?
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I know young skaters that wrap their legs on ALL jumps. Even toe, sal, and axel. It is horrible technique for when you're trying to move from doubles to triples. Somehow Nakano and Ito managed to, but it is VERY hard for young skaters to git rid of their wrap in order to do triple jumps.
There are an ernomous amount of young skaters who use this flawed technique. I'm going to use my category at the recent sectionals as an example. There were 22 girls competing. Four out of the top five skaters wrap their leg, and as for the other seventeen, six of them wrap their leg. [Nova Scotia's a small province. Everybody knows everybody, and everybody knows everybody's technique
] That makes 11 out of 22 that wrap their leg. HALF of these young skaters were wrapping their leg.
What's interesting is that four of the top five wrapped, because these girls are having success at a level when they only need to complete all their double jumps, but when they continue on to greater levels when they have to start triple jumps, they're going to have a lot of trouble.
There are an ernomous amount of young skaters who use this flawed technique. I'm going to use my category at the recent sectionals as an example. There were 22 girls competing. Four out of the top five skaters wrap their leg, and as for the other seventeen, six of them wrap their leg. [Nova Scotia's a small province. Everybody knows everybody, and everybody knows everybody's technique
] That makes 11 out of 22 that wrap their leg. HALF of these young skaters were wrapping their leg. What's interesting is that four of the top five wrapped, because these girls are having success at a level when they only need to complete all their double jumps, but when they continue on to greater levels when they have to start triple jumps, they're going to have a lot of trouble.
CDMM1991 said:I know young skaters that wrap their legs on ALL jumps. Even toe, sal, and axel. It is horrible technique for when you're trying to move from doubles to triples. Somehow Nakano and Ito managed to, but it is VERY hard for young skaters to git rid of their wrap in order to do triple jumps.
There are an ernomous amount of young skaters who use this flawed technique. I'm going to use my category at the recent sectionals as an example. There were 22 girls competing. Four out of the top five skaters wrap their leg, and as for the other seventeen, six of them wrap their leg. [Nova Scotia's a small province. Everybody knows everybody, and everybody knows everybody's technique
Interesting stat ! However, in which way did they wrap their legs? By crossing the free ankle in front of the takeoff leg's knee (as Nakano ) or, as a former poster say, by crossing their legs at knee level? If it's the first kind of leg wrapping (the one I was talking about), how can they do, let's say, a salchow ? The free leg being also the landing leg in that jump, the last phase of the jump must be quite acrobatic, as the landing foot has to go down from its high position past the other one to hit the ice first. They'll obviously be in trouble when attempting triples! In anyway leg wrapping seems less detrimental in jumps starting and ending on the same foot.
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nicole_l said:
That's my point. Wrapping the legs is unattractive and poor technique. It's certainly not the end of the world (of course) but it it just looks bad, IMHO.
I think a wrap is distracting and not the most aesthetically pleasing, but not the biggest deal. Perhaps a wrapped jump shouldn't get as high a GOE as jumps that have tight revolutions in the air with legs together, but not significantly lower.
I wonder, how do judges score Nakano's wrapped jumps (besides her Axels which are fine)?
I wonder, how do judges score Nakano's wrapped jumps (besides her Axels which are fine)?
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Jasper said:
I would think taht the judges would give Nakano full points for landing the wrapped jumps, but they might deduct in the overall score. Maybe they don't care at all, and if that's the case, why should we?
