Hey, where's Fosse on this thread.
Fosse is the president of the Golden Skate Sarah Hughes fan club. She likes Emily, too. Hasn't been around for a while.
Hey, where's Fosse on this thread.
Fosse is the president of the Golden Skate Sarah Hughes fan club. She likes Emily, too. Hasn't been around for a while.
To me, complaining about the intricacies of COP while watching figure skating is like complaining about the intricacies of the English language while reading DeLillo or Dos Passos, though.
I don't completely get the analogy, since I don't know DeLillo or Dos Passos, but I think one of the most remarkable things about the English language is that although it can be intricate and complex, it is also extremely malleable and dynamic; creative ways to bend and twist the language away from the "proper standards" are often celebrated. On the other hand, doesn't the CoP dictate more precisely what and how things will be judged? It is a rigid system. I think there is both good and bad to that.To me, complaining about the intricacies of COP while watching figure skating is like complaining about the intricacies of the English language while reading DeLillo or Dos Passos, though.
Good question. How do you mean thrive? .
To me, complaining about the intricacies of COP while watching figure skating is like complaining about the intricacies of the English language while reading DeLillo or Dos Passos, though.
I see little relationship to some of the scores for pcs in relationship to what happens on the ice.
Yu-Na's 3lz/3t and 2a/3t blows any combo done by Sarah and Tara out of the water. Not to mention Yu-Na's difficult entrances into her jumps and superior spins and connecting moves. Sarah may have landed two 3/3s and Tara a 3/3 and a sequence, but I believe Yu-Na's SP and LP had more content and technically more difficult overall, so she should go down as the technically greatest Women OGM. I wish Yu-Na had done a 3loop then no one would question her greatness. But even without it, I still think the quality of her HUGE jumps with great height and distance makes up for lack of a 3 loop. All 3 were/are elite skaters with competitive drive, no question about it. However, with the adjustments made in regards to URs, both may have benefited more in the upcoming season than they would've beforehand.
Tara has pretty much said it is hard to defend your title. Sarah clearly lost motivation and the following season after OGM was quite underwhelming. Tara left the scene. I hope Yu-Na does keep on competing and up to her standards. That would be a true test of a Champion. But if she does leave, well, it's been quite an experience!
originally posted by janetfan
Nicole and then Michelle used it as a signature move with the emphasis on a beautiful line that flowed (Michelle almost seemed to float).
Sasha remains for me the master of spiral positions and Mao, Mirai and Caroline don't come close to her imo - although they appear to be determined to imitate Sasha, I don't think they have her wow factor or elegance. Sasha sold it better but PE was always her strength.
One way to make skating more objective is just throw out the damn PCS already. At least the TES is based on CONCRETE actions on the ice...
But no, most will argue, we can't really do that, otherwise it'll be more like jump skating. Catch-22, folks...whatcha gonna do.
I don't think it's fair to compare skaters across generations. Sport moves forward; what's great now will likely be commonplace in 10 years
I don't think it's fair to compare skaters across generations. Sport moves forward; what's great now will likely be commonplace in 10 years
I don't completely get the analogy, since I don't know DeLillo or Dos Passos, but I think one of the most remarkable things about the English language is that although it can be intricate and complex, it is also extremely malleable and dynamic; creative ways to bend and twist the language away from the "proper standards" are often celebrated. On the other hand, doesn't the CoP dictate more precisely what and how things will be judged? It is a rigid system. I think there is both good and bad to that.
I was referring to the basics and not intricasies.
I am still wondering when CoP judges will be honest or competent - take your choice - and start calling the pcs better.
I can start with TR and wonder if most judges were absent on the day it was taught in judging school.
Other fans might mention IN - some skaters ignore music but still get scored like they were Gene Kelly on skates. Some skaters have intricate CH and not for 3-6 second bursts but throughout the whole program. Yet there scores are the same as some very dumbed down choreo we see.
I see little relationship to some of the scores for pcs in relationship to what happens on the ice.
The fact that many here say, "well since jumps don't get enough points the judges are compensating for this by giving higher marks in the pcs."
My answer to that is "two wrongs don't make a right."
Or better, NO, NO,NO it is wrong and blatant cheating when that happens. It happens all the time.
I admit COP confuses me - mostly when they don't follow their own rules.
Sigh. This is my biggest difficulty with COP, too. People try to explain - well, Rachael's choreography was more intrincate, she had more transitions than Mirai, she had more complex footwork than Mirai, she technically interpreted her music well. Well, okay if you break it down like that ... But the overall effect ... Did she look as graceful and effortless as Mirai at nationals? Heck, no. And not even close.
Frankly, I think judging figure skating necessarily has a very subjective factor to it - MUCH more than other judged sports like gymnastics or diving - and trying to take the subjectivity out completely is folly.
There is nothing nitpicking about Yuna's spiral in princfess0 post. She definitely does not have the extension toe point and amplitude like Sasha, Mirai, or Mao. princess was just stating the obvious. Maybe some fans think that is good, or super. One more bonus for the new rules, since spiral sequence is not a requierment, maybe Yuna will delete and drop the spiral sequence completely from her program, and tht to me is goodThis is just another nitpicking to me. Yuna doesn't have an extension like Sasha but I don't think it's bad.
There is nothing nitpicking about Yuna's spiral in princfess0 post. She definitely does not have the extension toe point and amplitude like Sasha, Mirai, or Mao. princess was just stating the obvious. Maybe some fans think that is good, or super. One more bonus for the new rules, since spiral sequence is not a requierment, maybe Yuna will delete and drop the spiral sequence completely from her program, and tht to me is good
Of course thta is your opinion, did I just said tht, maybe her fans even prefer spirals w/o good extensionsShe doesn't have a perfect spiral position/sequence but I don't think it's bad. But that's my own opinion.
My point of hoping Yuna wil drop the spiral is not about points, it is about many posters' viewning pleasure (I am not the only one who prefer spirals with extensions) . Fed or no fed, I am glad some of us who prefer spirals with good extensions don't have to watch unpleasant spiral positions from so many skaters. For those fans who prefer spirals w/o good extensions you can always rewatch tapes.Regarding the spiral sequence, the current rules didn't hurt her during the competition except maybe if she screwed up. So, whether she will drop it or not on the new rules, it doesn't even matter. And it's not like her federation lobbied it for her.
Hmm agree she has the best extension, but many skiaters do come much closer than others, and absence of Sasha competing, Mirai, Carline and Mao's spiral positions are some of the best among the ladies who are competing todayBesides Sasha is still the best in terms of extension, no one comes close.
Maybe because it's not a big deal, like I said it didn't hurt her, so, why bother?