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There is always a good side and a bad side, not neccesarily a good news. Many other federations' ways might be better worked from time to time.
This needs to be reiterated. We've seen examples this season already.
There is always a good side and a bad side, not neccesarily a good news. Many other federations' ways might be better worked from time to time.
There is always a good side and a bad side, not neccesarily a good news. Many other federations' ways might be better worked from time to time.
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Better for who, the federation or the skater :think:
I care more about the skaters and don't have too much respect for alot of the federations and the officials who run them.
Let's face it, Speedy came right out and said he needs anonymous judging because the federations can't be trusted to play fair. That of course goes from the top of the federation and includes the judges.
Does fair play count for anything in your views of skating and sport?
Sport at it's best can rise above that but not so sure if we have seen much of that in figure skating over the years.
Better for who, the federation or the skater :think:
We have seen how Bradley has done at Intl events.
What about Abbot? Has he distinguished himself at Worlds, Olympics or even the less pressurized WTT? I recall some pretty bad skates bordering on disatrous from Abbott over his career.
For both.
Firstly, I don't think the question should be Bradley vs Abbott. No way should Bradley be kicked off the team for Abbott. You can make an argument that Miner should've been (the relatively close scores), but not at this point.
Secondly, lets explore.
Jeremy Abbott at Worlds: 11th (2008), 11th (2009) and 5th (2010)
Ryan Bradley at Worlds: 15th (2007), 18th (2010)
Jeremy Abbott at the Olympics: 9th.
Ryan Bradley at the Olympics: N/A
Jeremy Abbott on the GP circuit: 5 medals, three gold including one GPF win.
Ryan Bradley on the GP circuit: two medals, no gold, never made the GPF.
Jeremy Abbott at 4CC: two bronze medals (2007, 2011)
Ryan Bradley at 4CC: 11th (2004), 4th (2006), 5th (2010)
Jeremy Abbott's PB: 237.72 (08/09 GPF)
Ryan Bradley's PB: 212.75 (2008 Skate Canada)
Mathman's point is interesting.
Hmm.....I thought this thread was about Shawn.....
By the numbers: David Dore.
I'm trying to separate fact from imagination.Historically, I think the USFSA has had the opposite problem from other federations. Most national federations are top down organizations, with a strong entrenched leader calling the shots.
The USFSA is made up of a cohort of unintimidated volunteers serving on a variety of boards, councils and committees. Grass roots representation from local clubs is strong. The President typically serves only a three-year term.
In fact, a few years back President Chuck Foster served less than two years before resigning in frustration. He claimed he just could not maintain control of the unruly mob of grass roots volunteers who were the real power in the organization and who could never agree on which way they ought to be pulling. (Sort of like America in general. )
The outcome of this situation was the creation of a new post, the Executive Director. The job of this person is to run the day by day affairs of the organization, but not to be involved in policy-making. The individual hired, David Raith, had a background in the financial side of sports television, so it was pretty clear that they were looking for someone whose main job would be drumming up television contracts.
Once in a while we hear speculation about "the Broadmore group" or some kind of the "SoCal coalition" trying to maneuver behind the scenes to the benefit of their skaters, but the climate of the USFSA overall is just not conducive to pushing the fortunes of one skater over another internationally.
Foster, of Duxbury, Mass., whose two-year term as USFSA president was to expire in May, said he no longer could work with a U.S. federation executive committee that "resists change and wants to continue as a mom-and-pop store instead of a professional organization."
Mathman's post is interesting but you left out a comparison, the one that counts right now which was Ryan and Jeremy's score from 2011 Natls :think:
Guess that doesn't help make your point but that's the way it goes sometimes.
Oh, absolutely. I have to admit I'd LOVE to see what an international judging panel would've done with those two skates back to back, but c'est la vie. The Technical Panel and Judges combined deemed Bradley better on that night.