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- Jan 25, 2013
Twin practically every event even with 4 or more major errors at many of them (I will be more than happy to make a list)
Ok, this has got to be put to rest. Here's a list of Chan's 14 wins, and the number of major errors such as falls, popped jumps or ones that got bad GOE (I don't consider mainly -1's a major error) over the course of the SP & FS. I've also included the number of fall in each competition that he won.
2013 Worlds - 4 (in FS, doubled his lutz, stepped out of his sequence, 3Z fall, 3A< fall -- overall between SP & FS, 2 falls)
2012 Worlds - 1 (the 3Z-1L<-2S I don't consider a major error but even still, that would be just 2 errors -- 1 fall)
2011 Worlds - 0 (stepout on the 3A in his FS, but not a major error -- no falls)
2011 Grand Prix Final - 4 (while neither were falls he stepped out of his first 4T and hands down on his 4T-2T in the FS -- 2 falls)
2010 Grand Prix Final - 2 (if we consider his < on his 4T in the SP, and his 2nd 3A in the FS -- no falls)
2011 Four Continents - 1 (though it wasn't counted as a fall, his SP quad was a major error -- no falls)
2009 Four Continents - 1 (singled his 2A in the FS -- no falls)
2012 Cup of Russia - 3 (4T-1T in SP, 2L, 3A->2A in FS -- no falls)
2011 Trophee Eric Bompard - 5 (UR/fall on his SP quad... in FS: lutz(fall), 2Z, botched footwork, 3A turned to double -- 2 falls)
2008 Trophee Eric Bompard - 2 (made two errors in his FS, but neither was a fall -- no falls)
2007 Trophee Eric Bompard - 3 (singled his lutz in the SP, 2S-1T and fell on a botched final spin in the FS, 1 fall)
2011 Skate Canada - 5 (SP shaky 4T, 2A; fall on his first quad in the FS, turning his 3F-1L-3S into a 3F is a major error but not a fall -- 2 falls)
2010 Skate Canada - 4 (while it cost him points I don't consider his freeskate's 3F-1L-2S sequence or 3L-3T< as major errors -- 4 falls)
2008 Skate Canada - 3 (had minor errors on his 3A/footwork in the SP, and his first 3A in his FS; major errors on his FS second 3A, he won neither segment but was the best overall -- 1 fall)
The times he's had 4 or more major errors (SP+FS) and won is Worlds 2013, Skate Canada 2011, Skate Canada 2010, Trophee Eric Bompard 2011, and Grand Prix Final 2011. Of these competitions, his nearest competitors respectively made 1 major error (Ten), 2 major errors including 1 fall (Fernandez), 1 major error being a fall (Oda), 1 major error (Song), 4 major errors (Takahashi). Ten deserved to win, Fernandez possibly deserved to win, Oda deserved to win, Song was cleaner but his programs were very much lacking so 2nd was appropriate, and Takahashi didn't deserve to win (especially after a disastrous SP where he UR'ed his quad and didn't do a combo after missing his lutz).
To clear things up:
- Chan has NEVER fallen 5 times in a competition that he's won
- Chan has only ONCE fallen 4 times within a competition that he's won (and I've said that Oda - even if he also fell in the FS - deserved to win)
- In 13 out of 14 victories, he's had 2 falls or less. In 9 out of 14 he's had only 1 fall or less. In 5 of them, he's had no falls over the SP and FS.
- He's had 3 questionable victories where he's made 4+ errors - over Ten at Worlds 2013, over Oda at Skate Canada, over Fernandez at Skate Canada -- and I'm sure it's no coincidence that all three took place in Canada.
- In most of the victories where he's had major errors (such as the ones I just mentioned), his nearest competitor has, like him, fallen or made at least one major error between the SP & FS... or they've been a competitor like Song or Ten (essentially clean but a subpar skater in comparison to Chan/Takahashi/etc.).
So, Chan haters can stop spewing ridiculous things like he wins with 5 falls, that he falls and wins all the time, and that he wins with consistently 4+ major errors. Even if he's not a clean skater by any stretch, he's also not the only post-CoP skater to win competitions even with multiple major errors, so stop acting like he is.