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Pre-teen beginner boot upgrade question

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Hi,
I apologise for a basic question but I am completely new as a parent in the figure skating world (I skated many years ago and only returned this year after a 25 year break, equipment was very different). I am wondering at what point do skates need an upgrade, especially as new skills are acquired?

My daughter is 11, and started skating in September. She is post-puberty, so past the main growth spurt and quite tall for her age at about 150-155cm, and 45kg. She switched from artistic gymnastics, and I was put in contact with a really fantastic skate tech here before she started skating and he advised her to get the Elle Fusion Set (they have the mirage blade, not sure if this is how they always come) - for reference she had skated a handful of times but could not go backwards, at this time her skills were go forward, stop, and do a lunge. The tech recommended the Elle because she would also be training about 9-10 hours per week on ice.

I imagined these skates would last at least the first year/season. I know they are usually not recommended for single jumps, but I did speak with someone beforehand about her level. To be honest, I imagined maybe at the end of the season she *might* be able to do a loop jump and a somewhat ok-ish spin. I did investigate switching from gymnastics to skating and the consensus was skills didn't translate so I also didn't anticipate overly quick progress. She has all jumps through lutz and has started doing bell jumps/underrotated axels and 2S preperations in lessons. She is doing both forward+ back scratch, sit spins with about 3 different variations, and basic camel spins. For skating skills aside from the obvious like crossovers and basic 3-turns, mohawk, etc, she can do double 3s, back 3s, powerpulls both feet, both directions, various kinds of footwork patterns. Most of the things seem between juvenile and intermediate MITF level (I think called skating skills now). If i just look up skates based on this level alone, most people recommend a slightly stiffer boot and more advanced blades. I know when I was at that level my coach actually took my parents aside and told them I needed new skates urgently (although I am pretty sure mine back then were much more basic).

I had contacted the tech about a month ago just to check when I should upgrade and he said when she is tying them a lot or they don't seem supportive enough, but she seems fine in this regard. I did notice there are some creases in the boot near where the ankle bends, They are not deep, but I haven't ever seen this in a pair of skates I have owned and they appeared in the last week or two. Does it make sense to upgrade before the end of the season? What about just getting different blades? Or are the Mirage ok for her level? She does have a program, which she will skate in a couple competitions in march and also at the end of year show, but I wanted to keep this first season pretty chill for her so it will really be like 2-3 performances total maximum. I apologise if this is a really basic question, and thank you for your advice.
 
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Hi,
I apologise for a basic question but I am completely new as a parent in the figure skating world (I skated many years ago and only returned this year after a 25 year break, equipment was very different). I am wondering at what point do skates need an upgrade, especially as new skills are acquired?

My daughter is 11, and started skating in September. She is post-puberty, so past the main growth spurt and quite tall for her age at about 150-155cm, and 45kg. She switched from artistic gymnastics, and I was put in contact with a really fantastic skate tech here before she started skating and he advised her to get the Elle Fusion Set (they have the mirage blade, not sure if this is how they always come) - for reference she had skated a handful of times but could not go backwards, at this time her skills were go forward, stop, and do a lunge. The tech recommended the Elle because she would also be training about 9-10 hours per week on ice.

I imagined these skates would last at least the first year/season. I know they are usually not recommended for single jumps, but I did speak with someone beforehand about her level. To be honest, I imagined maybe at the end of the season she *might* be able to do a loop jump and a somewhat ok-ish spin. I did investigate switching from gymnastics to skating and the consensus was skills didn't translate so I also didn't anticipate overly quick progress. She has all jumps through lutz and has started doing bell jumps/underrotated axels and 2S preperations in lessons. She is doing both forward+ back scratch, sit spins with about 3 different variations, and basic camel spins. For skating skills aside from the obvious like crossovers and basic 3-turns, mohawk, etc, she can do double 3s, back 3s, powerpulls both feet, both directions, various kinds of footwork patterns. Most of the things seem between juvenile and intermediate MITF level (I think called skating skills now). If i just look up skates based on this level alone, most people recommend a slightly stiffer boot and more advanced blades. I know when I was at that level my coach actually took my parents aside and told them I needed new skates urgently (although I am pretty sure mine back then were much more basic).

I had contacted the tech about a month ago just to check when I should upgrade and he said when she is tying them a lot or they don't seem supportive enough, but she seems fine in this regard. I did notice there are some creases in the boot near where the ankle bends, They are not deep, but I haven't ever seen this in a pair of skates I have owned and they appeared in the last week or two. Does it make sense to upgrade before the end of the season? What about just getting different blades? Or are the Mirage ok for her level? She does have a program, which she will skate in a couple competitions in march and also at the end of year show, but I wanted to keep this first season pretty chill for her so it will really be like 2-3 performances total maximum. I apologise if this is a really basic question, and thank you for your advice.
Hi and welcome. What is her foot type? And where is this world are you located so we can suggest a fitter. I am very hesistant about your tech based on what you have said here. She's no where near the stiffness of boot she should be in and definitely should not be doing the jumps and skills she currently is in Elles.

Once we know her foot type, we can suggest boots and blades that are made for her skill level, as well as a fitter.
 
Hi and welcome. What is her foot type? And where is this world are you located so we can suggest a fitter. I am very hesistant about your tech based on what you have said here. She's no where near the stiffness of boot she should be in and definitely should not be doing the jumps and skills she currently is in Elles.

Once we know her foot type, we can suggest boots and blades that are made for her skill level, as well as a fitter.
Hi, thank you for your response! I am in Graz, Austria. Her feet are somewhere between Egyptian and Roman (I would say more Roman but the second and third toes are quite as long as the big toe). She does have a wider foot, and when she had tried on Edeas the toes were very squished, which is why she was suggested the Jacksons in the end.

The Elles were purchased for her as an absolute beginner, so perhaps they were ok at the beginning? But I completely understand, this is where I was a bit hesitant because once she started doing proper singles I had a feeling she might need to switch. Thank you also for your help and advice.
 
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It's impossible for me to believe that your daughter is working on Intermediate MITF after 3 months of skating.
 
It's impossible for me to believe that your daughter is working on Intermediate MITF after 3 months of skating.
I'm sorry, it is 100% likely my misunderstanding or poorly written. I learned many years ago, and for example twizzles I learned for my intermediate test, and she learned twizzles last week, and double 3-turns I did I think in Juv (maybe the backwards ones in intermediate). There is no testing where I am, so its likely the skills are just learned differently - I am honestly not sure how skating skills things factor into boot and blade purchase, but I figured I would just mention some of the things she does/has learned in case it is relevant to what she shoudl have.
 
Hi and welcome. What is her foot type? And where is this world are you located so we can suggest a fitter. I am very hesistant about your tech based on what you have said here. She's no where near the stiffness of boot she should be in and definitely should not be doing the jumps and skills she currently is in Elles.

Once we know her foot type, we can suggest boots and blades that are made for her skill level, as well as a fitter.
I don't know if this is helpful, but this is what the creasing looks like (ignore the M5Stick, it was for a tracking experiment, it was one of the few times I had a phone with me recently when she is practicing) - I don't know if that is just normal, but I've never seen something like that on my skates and my other daughter got her Freestyles at the same time and she doesn't have that crease at all.
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I don't know if this is helpful, but this is what the creasing looks like (ignore the M5Stick, it was for a tracking experiment, it was one of the few times I had a phone with me recently when she is practicing) - I don't know if that is just normal, but I've never seen something like that on my skates and my other daughter got her Freestyles at the same time and she doesn't have that crease at all.
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Those boots look broken down. Especially seeing how the last eyelet is puckered in, they appear to be losing ankle support.

Referring to your question about blades, it would be time to retired the mirage blades they are a beginner blade. Might consider upgrading to MK pros or JW coronation aces. I don't think the fusion sets come with Mirages anymore they usually come with the Aspire XP. I learned my singles on the Aspire XP but because they are quiet flat most of my peers upgraded to Aces pretty quickly. But MK or John Wilsons are good blades that will last a long time definitely into double jumps.
 
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Those boots look broken down. Especially seeing how the last eyelet is puckered in, they appear to be losing ankle support.

Referring to your question about blades, it would be time to retired the mirage blades they are a beginner blade. Might consider upgrading to MK pros or JW coronation aces. I don't think the fusion sets come with Mirages anymore they usually come with the Aspire XP. I learned my singles on the Aspire XP but because they are quiet flat most of my peers upgraded to Aces pretty quickly. But MK or John Wilsons are good blades that will last a long time definitely into double jumps.
Could you please answer my post upthread and I can get you the help you need?
 
Could you please answer my post upthread and I can get you the help you need?
Hi, I am so sorry, I think i accidentally buried my response:

Hi, thank you for your response! I am in Graz, Austria. Her feet are somewhere between Egyptian and Roman (I would say more Roman but the second and third toes are not quite as long as the big toe). She does have a wider foot, and when she had tried on Edeas the toes were very squished, which is why she was suggested the Jacksons in the end.

The Elles were purchased for her as an absolute beginner, so perhaps they were ok at the beginning? But I completely understand, this is where I was a bit hesitant because once she started doing proper singles I had a feeling she might need to switch. Thank you also for your help and advice.
 
Hi, I am so sorry, I think i accidentally buried my response:

Hi, thank you for your response! I am in Graz, Austria. Her feet are somewhere between Egyptian and Roman (I would say more Roman but the second and third toes are not quite as long as the big toe). She does have a wider foot, and when she had tried on Edeas the toes were very squished, which is why she was suggested the Jacksons in the end.

The Elles were purchased for her as an absolute beginner, so perhaps they were ok at the beginning? But I completely understand, this is where I was a bit hesitant because once she started doing proper singles I had a feeling she might need to switch. Thank you also for your help and advice.
Ok, sorry about missing that! Sounds like from your description that her foot is more Roman or Aboriginal type. If that is the case, she will not fit Edea, so I'm not surprised they felt like it was squishing her toes. I would suggest Risport or Jackson for her. Also, sounds like in Austrian skating she is b/t Freestyle Levels 5 and 6. Honestly, with her height/weight stats I would suggest a Risport Electra, but with the skills she is doing I don't want her to to be in a boot that isn't going to be stiff enough for the skills she has immediately coming up. So I'd say look at Risport RF3 Pro. You do not want the Royal Pro with her foot b/c it is going to feel too narrow like Edea and the squishing toes feeling will happen with it. So only Risport RF3 Pro.
As far as Jackson: Synergy Elite or Premiere 2800.

Pair whichever boots end up working for her with a traditional intermediate level blade (no revolution or Lite blades): John Wilson Coronation Ace or MK Pro.
As far as fitters: If @emilinkaa is still around, she may be able to help you with fitters in that area of EU.

Good luck!
 
Ok, sorry about missing that! Sounds like from your description that her foot is more Roman or Aboriginal type. If that is the case, she will not fit Edea, so I'm not surprised they felt like it was squishing her toes. I would suggest Risport or Jackson for her. Also, sounds like in Austrian skating she is b/t Freestyle Levels 5 and 6. Honestly, with her height/weight stats I would suggest a Risport Electra, but with the skills she is doing I don't want her to to be in a boot that isn't going to be stiff enough for the skills she has immediately coming up. So I'd say look at Risport RF3 Pro. You do not want the Royal Pro with her foot b/c it is going to feel too narrow like Edea and the squishing toes feeling will happen with it. So only Risport RF3 Pro.
As far as Jackson: Synergy Elite or Premiere 2800.

Pair whichever boots end up working for her with a traditional intermediate level blade (no revolution or Lite blades): John Wilson Coronation Ace or MK Pro.
As far as fitters: If @emilinkaa is still around, she may be able to help you with fitters in that area of EU.

Good luck!
Thank you so much, this is extremely helpful!

Is there overall a difference between each of the two (Risport vs Jackson and MK vs JW) I should know about, or is it mostly up to personal preference?

I really appreciate all of the info and we will look at those options!
 
Ok, sorry about missing that! Sounds like from your description that her foot is more Roman or Aboriginal type. If that is the case, she will not fit Edea, so I'm not surprised they felt like it was squishing her toes. I would suggest Risport or Jackson for her. Also, sounds like in Austrian skating she is b/t Freestyle Levels 5 and 6. Honestly, with her height/weight stats I would suggest a Risport Electra, but with the skills she is doing I don't want her to to be in a boot that isn't going to be stiff enough for the skills she has immediately coming up. So I'd say look at Risport RF3 Pro. You do not want the Royal Pro with her foot b/c it is going to feel too narrow like Edea and the squishing toes feeling will happen with it. So only Risport RF3 Pro.
As far as Jackson: Synergy Elite or Premiere 2800.

Pair whichever boots end up working for her with a traditional intermediate level blade (no revolution or Lite blades): John Wilson Coronation Ace or MK Pro.
As far as fitters: If @emilinkaa is still around, she may be able to help you with fitters in that area of EU.

Good luck!
Thank you so much for the info! She went with the Jackson Premiere because they fit her foot better + Coro Ace, and she feels so much more supported and stable, everyone is happy! She said her camel especially is more comfortable in these blades too.
 
Thank you so much for the info! She went with the Jackson Premiere because they fit her foot better + Coro Ace, and she feels so much more supported and stable, everyone is happy! She said her camel especially is more comfortable in these blades too.
I am so happy to hear this! :)
 
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