Can anyone explain what is GoE friendly?
FOR + 1 : 1 or 2 bullets FOR + 2 : 3 or 4 bullets FOR + 3 : 5 or 6 bullets:
FOR SPIRAL SEQUENCE:
1. good flow, energy and execution
2. good speed during sequence
3. good body line
4. highlights the character of the program
5. superior flexibility
6. creativity and originality
Flexibility means there is no struggle to get the leg in its proper position in a ballet-like fashion. Ballet-like fashion includes turned out knee and pointed toe.
Edging which is more about skating should be pronounced. Changes of edges should be as they occur in school figures. No wobbling or bobbling.
Catch foot spirals are a waste of time, imo, since they bring nothing to the program except points for doing so little. But it is the one position one doesn't have to worry about being ballet-like.
None of the current crop of ladies comes anywheres near Kwan's change of edge spiral.
Can anyone explain what is GoE friendly?
Flexibility means there is no struggle to get the leg in its proper position in a ballet-like fashion. Ballet-like fashion includes turned out knee and pointed toe.
Edging which is more about skating should be pronounced. Changes of edges should be as they occur in school figures. No wobbling or bobbling.
Catch foot spirals are a waste of time, imo, since they bring nothing to the program except points for doing so little. But it is the one position one doesn't have to worry about being ballet-like.
None of the current crop of ladies comes anywheres near Kwan's change of edge spiral.
http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=981
To establish the starting GOE Judges must take into consideration the bullets for each element. It’s up to a Judge to decide on the number of bullets for any upgrade, but general recommendations are as follows:
FOR + 1 : 1 or 2 bullets FOR + 2 : 3 or 4 bullets FOR + 3 : 5 or 6 bullets
Spiral Sequences
1. good flow, energy and execution
2. good speed during sequence
3. good body line
4. highlights the character of the program
5. superior flexibility
6. creativity and originality
steyn said:According to the protocol she got three +1's and six +2's for her spiral. In the current system two judges are randomly ignored and, among the rest, the lowest and the highest goes are also not counted. To get +2 goe, three +1's should not be counted, which is possible only when two +1's are from those randomly ignored judges.
Antman said:Spiral Sequences
1. good flow, energy and execution
2. good speed during sequence
3. good body line
4. highlights the character of the program
5. superior flexibility
6. creativity and originality
steyn said:According to this guideline, probably all judges checked bullet 1 and/or 2. Then six judges additionally checked bullet 4 and/or 6 to give +2.
I assumed it was a new cliche because I was thinking about Goe Unfriendly. :chorus:I would assume that "GOE Friendly" means a spiral sequence that attracts high GOE. For a reminder of that (found here: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=934)
As most posters know, I am not Ballet-Friendly to figure skating. I use the term ballet-like to get a meaning across. Figure Skating is a form of dance be it Tap, Acrobatics, Modern, Folk whatever. IMO, it should be treated as a dance form.Superior flexibility does appear in the positive GOE bullets, however, it doesn't mention ballet anywhere, i would assume it means flexibility in it's true definition of easily bent or pliable. Arguably though this crosses over in to the terriotry of features for levels since some of the levels refer to attaining 180 split position and foot higher than head with or without the assist of an arm.
I guess we have to assume edging is covered in silence in the bullets. It would be nice to see it somewhere. I mean, at least it is the portion of figure skating that is on the ice. btw, Energy and Execution are measureable? Aren't they in the mind of the beholder?Again I agree that to my mind edging shoudl be the most important thing but in the absence of an express mention I think it does play a part in speed, flow, energy and execution, but it's strange that it isn't mentioned anywhere specifically. The change of edge is dealt with in the rules for the levels - i forget the exact wording but the change needs to be steady and within a certain distance in order to qualify for the higher level.
I guess we have to assume edging is covered in silence in the bullets. It would be nice to see it somewhere. I mean, at least it is the portion of figure skating that is on the ice. btw, Energy and Execution are measureable? Aren't they in the mind of the beholder?[/U][/I]
4. Did Kim's spiral highlight the character of the program any more than anyone else's did?
6. Was Kim's spiral sequence especially creative or original?
Just a quick question:
Could someone please explain to me why Kim's spiral sequence got the highest GOE marks of the night? It is by no means the best spiral I don't think (lacks extension, and her free leg foot looks like a club). Maybe someone could enlighten me?
Edging is covered in the bullets just not explicitly - a spiral sequence will not have good flow WITHOUT good edging. If the edges are wobbly, the spiral slows down. Then it will not have good energy or execution either.
If it's flexibility you want, then the Iina Bauer has it over the Spiral. Why make such an issue with the Spiral? A Cantilever lay back is probably the most difficult of the MIF.
The 4th position is one foot (or skate) faces East and the other faces West. Much of the time it is used as a preparation for a pirouette in Dance and Ina Bauer in Figure Skating.What i son't unserstand is how an Ina Bauer is even possible. It looks like one blade is line up front to back and the trailing blade is sideways, scraping along the ice. But that can't be right, because then you would come to a dead stop.
That's how it was originally used until Ilia Klimkin used it as a serious element in many of his programs, and it was used to show the character of the music - not just as a trick.About the cantilever, for some reason this move has been relegated to comic relief. The best at it (sorry, Ilia Kulik ) were Frick and Frack.
Well. we can be certain that little girls love it, and therefore it is judged as a major element.I think the reason the spiral is favored is just that it looks so pretty, never mind whether it is difficult or not.
Good question. While she fulfills the requirements for the spiral sequence, hers looks really ugly. Give her the level 4, but she should get negative GOE because it just looks BAD. She definitely got bonus GOE points just for being Yu-Na.
What a childish comment. It seems to me that what you say translates into nothing more than I don't like her.
I was at Staple's center in person, and I noticed that Yu-Na Kim's spiral was way faster and had more ice coverage than anyone else's at the top tier, while it had the comparable quality in other aspects. She deserved the best GOE of the night for that element.
Her edge control in the change of edge is also avergae, like Kimmie, she wobbles as she changes edge, she does not have the seemless transition from inside to outside like Michelle, Sasha and Caroline have.
The clear evidence of evil inside of ISUHer edges need some work too, and they certainy aren't the best. she gets a ! for the flip.
well her body line is okay, but certainly not the best.
her spirals don't express the feeling of the music. (Most of the the top ladies don't too.)
Her edges need some work too, and they certainy aren't the best. she gets a ! for the flip.
The reference to edge control above was to the change of edge in a spiral not on jumps so it's not really relevant whether or not her flip has received "!". Furthermore, the "!" is only a warning from the techn specialist so it really means nothing unless a "e" is given.
Ant