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And Evan wins. This guy is on a roll.
Evan is on fire. 4 back to back clean skates for him. same podium as worlds. Funny.
And Evan wins. This guy is on a roll.
2006 Olys was such a bad competition in the ladies event (and the men's) so even if Sasha was gifted a bit, it's not like the others were being wuzrobbed.Not me - i thought Sasha's Olympic LP was overmarked too and thought her silver was beyond a gift.
You must mean visibly clean skates. Two URs and an ! is not a clean skate.Evan is on fire. 4 back to back clean skates for him. same podium as worlds. Funny.
His jump content is also nothing to come home about in this competition but the in-betweens saved his score. A well-balanced program should be able to work the code that way
Well, that's a very well balanced program - among the Ladies and the Juniors.How is a program well balanced when it doesn't have a clean triple axel?
We'll see tomorrow how it would have fared against Mao and Miki. Of course, they don't get their PCS multiplied by the same factor.Well, that's a very well balanced program - among the Ladies and the Juniors.
I suspect if Patrick Chan skates clean and wins in Vancouver, plenty of people will scream that he didn't deserve it, even if everyone else falls down. And god forbid Joubert should beat him sheerly by getting more PCS than he deserve, and then anyone so much as *hint* it might not have been entirely fair. He'll become the most hated skater ever on these message boards...
Basically, the jump content that Chan put out there was on a par with what a Junior skater would present. Yes, Chan has great skating skills (other than jumps), transitions and choreography, but PE and IN are not nearly as good.
It seems as if he can dilute his technical content to bare-bones level and still be assured of being held up stratospherically by the judges even when he doesn't skate cleanly. No wonder he displays such a degree of arrogance and seems to feel he is entitled to top placements just by virtue of stepping out on the ice.
Has a diva been born?
Basically, the jump content that Chan put out there was on a par with what a Junior skater would present. Yes, Chan has great skating skills (other than jumps), transitions and choreography, but PE and IN are not nearly as good.
It seems as if he can dilute his technical content to bare-bones level and still be assured of being held up stratospherically by the judges even when he doesn't skate cleanly. No wonder he displays such a degree of arrogance and seems to feel he is entitled to top placements just by virtue of stepping out on the ice.
Has a diva been born?
Right. Any attituide that he has is the judges fault. Yeah he was greadt SS and wonderful knees, but so do Kozuka and Oda. Abbot's PCS should be pretty big too. I have no beef woth skaters getting reawrded for such attention to detail, but with no 3 axel? Sorry Patrick you need a 3 axel and/or a quad if you want to play with the big boys.
Basically, the jump content that Chan put out there was on a par with what a Junior skater would present. Yes, Chan has great skating skills (other than jumps), transitions and choreography, but PE and IN are not nearly as good.
It seems as if he can dilute his technical content to bare-bones level and still be assured of being held up stratospherically by the judges even when he doesn't skate cleanly. No wonder he displays such a degree of arrogance and seems to feel he is entitled to top placements just by virtue of stepping out on the ice.
Has a diva been born?
FINALLY somebody said it thank you both so much I have been waiting for someone to bring this up. Patrick is egotistical, has a bad attitude, and does not respect his competitors. Patrick Chan's skating resembles tha tof a junior skater yet he is rewarded like a self appointed champion.
That felt good.
I don't think anyone hates Patrick Chan, or sees him as a public enemy. I certainly don't hate people I don't know, except some nasty dictators and the like, which Chan certainly is not.Finally? People have been saying this pretty much since the beginning of the season. Seems the majority of people have turned on him and he is now public enemy number one. I'm just glad I won't be visiting these boards during the Olympics...I can't imagine what they will be like then.
As a fan of two skaters who are often maligned (Brian and Caro), I think Chan hasn't been the target of a fraction of the nastiness those two attract (Brian's a petulant jerk who can only do quads and pelvic thrusts, Caro apparently does backroom deals to assure herself of high PCS). I'm willing to try and tone down my criticism of Chan (really, I think it's already focused mostly on the judges and not on Patrick), but I would expect others to do the same for skaters they happen to dislike.I find it really disappointing that people come here and accuse others of bashing Canadians and then go about bashing various non-Canadians... Enough already. These skaters have worked so hard, for so many years, and even if we don't like their skating, let's at least try not to get too bitchy.
Despite this, even people who are quite critical of Chan's skating and scoring - like chuckm, Medusa and myself, to name a few in this thread - normally point out his strenghts, including his transition-packed programs, difficult step sequences and strong basic skating skills. I don't think it can be argued that Chan's strengths include jump content and presentation at this point in his career.
IMO, the suggestion that Chan or Canadians are being bashed is very much a pot calling the kettle black situation.
Oh, and I doubt I'll post much during Olys, at least not in real time. The time difference, it's a killer.
After all, you can't have a good conspiracy without eeeeevil Russians. It's nowhere near as fun to Blame Canada .
I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories myself, except for really fun ones (see above, and below ). But can you seriously argue that this kind of thing has only been directed at the Canadian skaters? Even if you disregard the examples I gave in my previous post, check out the Worlds dance threads. Were DomShabs treated any better? 4CC is often scored in a rather dodgy manner, and I believe there was a bit of a home ice advantage at play (though I did defend V/M in the dance threads).The Canadian bashing was very much in the forefront during the 4CC competition. This is where the whole PCS= Patrick Chan Scores came from and whenever a Canadian received a high score it was only because they were from Canada.
I remember when W/P skated and received a higher score than their last competition and people complained about that. In turns out that at their last compeition they had received a couple Level 1s and therefore made the corrections and got better levels at 4CC. That is where the higher marks came from. I cannot stand when everything is made out to be a conspiracy without people looking up the facts first.
Did you get tickets? Wow, that should be fun.I'm lucky enough that I will be there and can't wait!! :thumbsup:
Mathman, your keen insight is unmatched on this forum . I shudder to think what this, um, unleashing will involve, exactly .The view from the grassy knoll: Didn't you notice that Canada already cheated against Japan in this competition? Dube and Davison deliberately messed up, allow Denny and Barrett to get thrid and keep the U.S.A. ahead of Japan overall. :yes:
As for the Russians, they have a secret deal to keep Khokhlova and Novitski off the podium before Vancouver, so they can unleash them as a secret weapon that no one will be expecting.
Those Patrick-Chan-was-overscored-everyone-else-was-robbed-discussions are sooo, I don't know, useless, I guess. I doesn't help either those who were underscored nor makes it Chan suddenly score lower. I can't help but getting annoyed. I think Chan knows perfectly well what his performances are worth and also realizes when he gets, let's say, more credit than he might have deserved.
I know, people will jump at me for saying this. So, first, yes, I know this is an opinion board. Second, yes, I do believe Chan was overscored at this WTT. Third, I know, you're blaming the judges, not Patrick Chan. Fourth, no, I don't want to offend you.
But this whining can be so tedious, especially when it starts before Chan has actually skated.
Same applies to Caro Kostner(heck, she mostly deserves those PCS), Rachael Flatt(from what some people say, you could think this girl can't do anything but jump but she CAN), Caroline Zhang(there's more to her skating than being slow), just to give a few examples. And excessive gushing isn't much better either.
Sorry, I had to get this off my chest. So, don't worry, be happy and enjoy the skating not the scoring.
Patrick is egotistical, has a bad attitude, and does not respect his competitors.
That felt good.