South Korean federation's complaint to the ISU about judging

[bara1968]

I sometimes don't understand why some posters here even bother to edit their posts to find a way to mock other posters more.

 

[bara1968]

Hey, post blow by blow stsq breakdown ok, to help me and other nonbelievers see better. Didn't see them, so guys, do your homework.

I do not believe or am convinced of any of the things you said on Yuna's stsq or jumps. Yourself said it was from your own realtime impression. How about you doing your homework to prove your argument first?

 

[qwertyskates]

I do not believe or am convinced of any of the things you said on Yuna's stsq or jumps. Yourself said it was from your own realtime impression. How about you doing your homework to prove your argument first?

Well, I simply agreed with the Tech Panel, so don't have to do anything really. Onus on those who disagree and want to prove that there's wrong judgment.

 

[ILuvYuna]

Well, I simply agreed with the Tech Panel, so don't have to do anything really.

 

[bara1968]

Well, I simply agreed with the Tech Panel, so don't have to do anything really. Onus on those who disagree and want to prove that there's wrong judgment.

So you are clearly taking back what you said earlier on Yuna's 3Sal. Is that correct?

 

[jaylee]

You know, it's really annoying that you edit your posts so drastically after you initially post.

Unlike you, I didn't follow the thread in its entirety, not at all, so I had no idea if all the other Level Features were discussed, but do point out for our benefit the DISCUSSION about all those other Level Features in the thread, i.e. comparing Adelina and Yuna's Level Features 2,3, 4, blow by blow. What you posted is a STATEMENT.

That statement was part of the DISCUSSION and it was made by someone who DID take the time to watch Yuna's step sequence movement by movement. Feel free to dispute it if you wish, but I am not here to spoonfeed you posts. (Btw, by saying, there were "two other level features that i didn't see in Yuna's skate" were you really arguing that Yuna missed two level features and should've gotten a level 2 on her footwork? Because that just shows overwhelmingly that you don't know what you're talking about!).

I'll take the word of someone who has gone through the technical specialist training versus the word of someone who links to rules, copies and pastes them, and says, "this skater did not fullfill this rule because I say she didn't and I am not going to watch moment by moment to prove to you why!"

Upper body movements "means the visible use for a combined total of at
least 1/3 of the pattern of the step sequence any movements of the arms, and/or
head and/or torso that have an effect on the balance of the main body core.
Having an effect on the balance of main body core can also be understood as having
an effect on the balance of the body as a whole and influencing the balance on the blade.

This I didn't see in Yuna's stsq.

Stops are allowed according to the music sequence, but the difficult turns combinations must be tightly executed or they cannot be deemed a "combination". Like I said, Caro, Chan, and any others performed them, and I judge according to their standard of performance.

You think her arm movements during her second set of twizzles don't have an effect on the balance of the main body core? She didn't HAVE those arm movements the first time she did this footwork in competition in Golden Spin and had to work to add them in later. The illusion towards the end clearly does as well. Just LOOK at her head, her arms, and the way her torso is twisting during the first third alone WHILE she's doing the steps--how could it not have an effect on the balance of the main body core, the balance of the body as a whole, or the balance on the blade?

 

[bebevia]

Name the four ladies in figure skating history who have both a gold and a silver Olympic medal.

Tenley Albright, USA, 1952(S) & 1956(G)
Carol Heiss, USA, 1956(S) & 1960(G)
Sjoukje Dijkstra, NED, 1960(S) & 1964(G)
Yuna Kim, KOR, 2010(G) & 2014(S)

Wow. Except Yuna, the ladies had the same record of Silver followed by Gold in two consecutive games, three of them competing one after another! That's a weird record.

 

[gmyers]

Tenley Albright, USA, 1952(S) & 1956(G)
Carol Heiss, USA, 1956(S) & 1960(G)
Sjoukje Dijkstra, NED, 1960(S) & 1964(G)
Yuna Kim, KOR, 2010(G) & 2014(S)



Wow. Except Yuna, the ladies had the same record of Silver followed by Gold in two consecutive games, three of them competing one after another! That's a weird record.

It's a classic 6.0 record

 

[Mathman]

Tenley Albright, USA, 1952(S) & 1956(G)
Carol Heiss, USA, 1956(S) & 1960(G)
Sjoukje Dijkstra, NED, 1960(S) & 1964(G)
Yuna Kim, KOR, 2010(G) & 2014(S)

Wow. Except Yuna, the ladies had the same record of Silver followed by Gold in two consecutive games, three of them competing one after another! That's a weird record.

 

[karne]

So where's the petitions after Worlds? Because let's be honest, 191 for that LP was a bit...silly.

And I also have a question for the mods. How come "Yuna fan" is not acceptable, but "Sot Bot" apparently is?

 

[R.D.]

^ Where did the term "bot" originate, anyway? Never heard of ubers being referred to as "bots" until around 2008 or so, I think...a product of the infamous Kim/Asada fan wars?

Also, "Yuna fan" is a term that has been heard frequently around here (and even elsewhere) for YEARS...

 

[Jump]

^ Where did the term "bot" originate, anyway? Never heard of ubers being referred to as "bots" until around 2008 or so, I think...a product of the infamous Kim/Asada fan wars?

Also, "Yuna fan" is a term that has been heard frequently around here (and even elsewhere) for YEARS...

I find the "bot" term offensive and consider it personal insult/attack. "Bot" and other negative "fanboy" type wordings are prohibited in other forums I read but I guess that language is allowed here at GS.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I find the "bot" term offensive and consider it personal insult/attack. "Bot" and other negative "fanboy" type wordings are prohibited in other forums I read but I guess that language is allowed here at GS.

To be fair, Yuna fans can be quite aggressive.

 

[Mathman]

I still have one question. Has the Korean Skating Federation actually submitted a protest to the ISU, or is this just an urban myth that we have fallen for?

 

[cooper]

I still have one question. Has the Korean Skating Federation actually submitted a protest to the ISU, or is this just an urban myth that we have fallen for?

it is still pending at KSU..

 

[ILuvYuna]

^ "send in the clowns"

 

[Rubirosa]

^ Finally someone with "yuna" in username spoke sense.

The deadline of protest is over. No protest now? They dropped this information to media to lie to people?

 

[capcomeback]

^ Finally someone with "yuna" in username spoke sense.

The deadline of protest is over. No protest now? They dropped this information to media to lie to people?

I thought they had 60 days.

 

[cooper]

^ Finally someone with "yuna" in username spoke sense.

The deadline of protest is over. No protest now? They dropped this information to media to lie to people?

they had 60 days... do some research..

 

[qwertyskates]

You know, it's really annoying that you edit your posts so drastically after you initially post.



That statement was part of the DISCUSSION and it was made by someone who DID take the time to watch Yuna's step sequence movement by movement. Feel free to dispute it if you wish, but I am not here to spoonfeed you posts. (Btw, by saying, there were "two other level features that i didn't see in Yuna's skate" were you really arguing that Yuna missed two level features and should've gotten a level 2 on her footwork? Because that just shows overwhelmingly that you don't know what you're talking about!).

I'll take the word of someone who has gone through the technical specialist training versus the word of someone who links to rules, copies and pastes them, and says, "this skater did not fullfill this rule because I say she didn't and I am not going to watch moment by moment to prove to you why!"



You think her arm movements during her second set of twizzles don't have an effect on the balance of the main body core? She didn't HAVE those arm movements the first time she did this footwork in competition in Golden Spin and had to work to add them in later. The illusion towards the end clearly does as well. Just LOOK at her head, her arms, and the way her torso is twisting during the first third alone WHILE she's doing the steps--how could it not have an effect on the balance of the main body core, the balance of the body as a whole, or the balance on the blade?

I lead a normal life, I don't post every 2 minutes or so. There are some 10-20 of you at any one time. I dislike hogging threads or making lots and lots of replies, especially when it's about the same things over and over ad nauseum, so I like to combine my rebuttals, especially when there are several posters addressing any one of my posts at any time. I am also a stickler for grammar, so I frequently corrected any erroneous grammar/spelling. Didn't see that as a violation of forum rules?:scratch:

I still haven't seen this "DISCUSSION" on GS that you insist took place about the Feature Levels 2,3,4, blow by blow, on which Level 4 stsq is judged, I only saw Feature Level 1, i.e.,Complexity, discussed on BoP thread. I am waiting for your link, since you said it exists. So far, you posted a statement/opinion of BoP, not a link to a discussion.

I don't take anyone's statement for a fact. I tend to believe the Tech Panel, especially when my eyes saw the same skate.

Found a Yuna fan upload of Sochi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NIHBJBAqU&ntz=1

Yuna's torso remained upright for most of her stsq, she had *some* torso and arm movements, but they were not enough to affect balance in a significant way. I didn't see 1/3 of stsq with major torso, head and arm movements maintained. Yuna's steps and turns were smaller, slower, more pauses in between. I don't think Yuna is famed for her stsq, unlike Caro, she received Level 3 at many other competitions. They really weren't memorable at Sochi either, there wasn't an outstanding choreography. I don't find awarding Level 3 to her ss a controversial decision.

If you propose that the Tech Panel was wrong, or judging was fraudulent then you should post the evidence that you have.

The onus is on those who alleged wrongdoing, Tech Panel is innocent until proven guilty, and so you must provide proof. Stating for a fact your opinion that Yuna's skate *is* Level 4 isn't proof.

I am now watching World's, I'm more interested in that than to debate a non-issue with you all. Like I said, rather than carrying this to your grave why not do a second by second, blow by blow? I promise I'll visit! Adios!