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Ever since I joined this forum, I have been avoiding the competition threads, as I thought they would be full of terminology that I didn't understand. But, I strayed into this one today, and I discovered another reason for avoid them!
For (Triple-)Flip Sake! This isn’t a competition thread. This is a “slag off the Russian teenagers” thread!
OK, so the descriptions of the routines are very useful, as were the complaints about losing pictures on the live streams. But, the number of comments criticising the Russian girls is getting ridiculous.
Like, before the competition even started, some people were saying “Oh, Adelina’s going to crack up today”. So, what does she do? She goes out and wins the Short Programme! But instead of congratulating her, these people were saying “Oh, she’ll crack up in the Free instead”
For goodness sake, give the girl a break! Adelina is one of the best young skaters we have had in recent years. So, why are some people being so critical of her? Are they jealous? Are they trying to destroy her confidence and drag her down?!
It’s the same with my beloved Liza. Although most of the criticism seems to be directed towards Adelina, Liza is also being described as a “bad skater”! What?! Have you seen her results for the past 4 or 5 years?!
I know I’ve already said this about Adelina, but Liza is also one of the best young skaters we have had in recent years!
I remember reading similar unnecessary criticism about the Russian girls before in a different thread shortly after I joined, and I replied saying:
Well, I re-iterate that here now!
Earlier on in this thread, I said:
Now, I am going to add:
LEAVE ADELINA AND LIZA ALONE!!! THEY ARE TEENAGE GIRLS - THEY NEED SUPPORT, NOT UNNECESSARY CRITICISM!!!
Skaters are not robots – they can have off-days like the rest of us. Just look at Carolina Kostner – one day she can be brilliant, but the next day she can be awful.
Skaters are not infallible – they can make mistakes. And making mistakes is not always a bad thing – it can help them learn.
Skaters are real people with real feelings.
So, please think of their feelings before you criticise them unnecessarily!
Rant over.
CaroLiza_fan
Not at all, it is clear a clean Osmond will easily be several points higher than Sotnikova. You don't have to believe me, just post a new thread in the Edge with both their SP SBS and ask for people to comment. I am quite underwhelmed by Sotnikova from a PCS standpoint, she looked petrified out there until the very end when she knew she skated clean. Before then, the tension in her face and body really cut into her performance. In contrast, Osmond showed no such tension any point at all and performed to her highest level throughout. On that alone, the PCS score would have buried Stonikova alive.
Like, before the competition even started, some people were saying “Oh, Adelina’s going to crack up today”. So, what does she do? She goes out and wins the Short Programme! But instead of congratulating her, these people were saying “Oh, she’ll crack up in the Free instead”
I agree that on their best skate, Sotnikova should beat Osmond, but not based on TES, but PCS. Osmond arguably has stronger jumps than Sotnikova in her SP. To me Osmond has one of the best 3T-3T combos -- fully rotated, lots of speed and even does transitions going into it. Her triple flip also has preceding steps and doesn't waver inside-outside-inside as Sotnikova or Mao does. And her double axel has a spread eagle entry which makes it more difficult. Sotnikova makes up for it with stronger spins. I think Osmond's jumps should earn more GOE than Sotnikova, but her PCS are deservedly lower.
Yes yes yes. There used to be a time when she didn't know what to do with her long limbs. Now they just enhance her skating so wonderfully and make her skating look sooooo big and impressive. She skates with such polish now and her extension is beautiful. Carolina in that program is simply divine!! Such musicality and joy. She has improved this program since Italian Nationals and hopefully there will be a clean performance at worlds. this is a program that I can watch over and over for years to come!Kostner is so stunning! She has the best command of the ice and the best expression of any current ladies competitor in the world, IMO. It's a real shame she lost speed on the landing of the 1st triple toe and didn't have enough snap to land the 2nd triple toe in the combination jump pass. This is hands down the best ladies SP in the world this season I believe. LOVE her musicality, the use of her arms, the always exquisite footwork. Her jumps are FIRST RATE when she hits them!
I think right now Sotnikova still has stronger skating skills and faster spins than Kaetlyn, but everything else such as performance, interpretation, musicality, movement quality Osmond is better hands down. Jumps, I don't know. Although Adelina has landed some difficult 3-3s, she has a pretty obvious flutz and her 2nd toe at the end of her 3-3 always looks laboured to me. There's just something awkward overall about Adelina's skating to me. I think she needs a dance instructor to teach her how to use her upper body and fix her carriage.To me this is wrong, wrong, wrong. Adelina is a much better skater than Kaetlyn IMO. Kaetlyn is at times sloppy and her presentation is a bit more cheerleader-like. You may be underwhelmed but Adelina is a strong spinner with interesting positions, a powerful jumper, and her choreography is difficult but not overly busy. The look of terror on someone's face should have no impact on PCS. A clean Adelina will place several points ahead of a clean Kaetlyn. Whether Kaetlyn fans agree with that statement in the Edge doesn't matter because none of them are international judges.
Oh, and I also agree about Carolina's horrid SP dress. The red "hands" wrapping around her waist look so garish and distracting and the skirt looks heavy and frumpy that I'm amazed it doesn't affect her jumps and spins.
well there is the Osmond talk here. lol
:scowl: That is exactly what I find boring. I would like to hear what people think about skaters at this competition.