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It's not Sotnikova's fault. She didn't tell the judges what marks to give her. If there was a fix, it's not like she asked for it.
What did Sotnikova do wrong?
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It's not Sotnikova's fault. She didn't tell the judges what marks to give her. If there was a fix, it's not like she asked for it.
Honestly, no they are not. They are just saying what will probably happen. More in pity really. I don't think they are wishing it upon her.
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Uhh have you met juliasochi and pangandtongfan?
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I prefer Yulia's skating, BUT I can't help but feel sorry for Adelina. Mao should have been much higher, Carolina, Gracie's score was good - she was in contention, Yu-na, imho, wasn't THAT good and great you make her be. She looked slower, her spins were not great, she looked disinterested. She was nor superior in other words. If you talk about unjust places - that goes to Carolina. 1 - Caro, 2 - Adelina, 3- Yu-na. I'm not a specialist, but if Adelina was put into 1st place, that should be explainable. And I see how she could be the 1st. Even if she is not that special.
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It just occurred to me that in a weird way, we're replaying 2010 again, only with women instead of men. The established gold-medal winning veteran doing a slightly watered down version of what got them that gold medal in the first place, versus the newer challenger who, as the saying goes, knows how to game the system. Like Evan before her, Adelina worked the points. And under COP, working the points appears to be the most consistent, successful strategy on the whole.
History really does repeat itself. Eery.
History really does repeat itself. Eery.
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Funny I thought it was the opposite. In 2010, Lysacek was inferior to Plushenko in terms of "technical difficulty", to which some people attribute Sot's victory in 2014. IIRC, people were talking about the artistry, choreography, the overall quality of program, and how Plushenko was all about those jumps and failed to demonstrate these qualities. And if you ask me who succeeded in better displaying these for women this time around, I'd say Yuna. It's only that she didn't win.
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She did everything right. It was just a matter of her federation getting behind her firmly. The Japanese would ever be brave enough to do that for Mao if this was in Japan. Big props to the Russians for doing that.
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I just want this to end now.
I get that Yuna supporters are angry that she skated clean & did not win.
But honestly, it was a very close competition & could have gone either way.
I really do not think it was a fix.
I've been watching skating for over 20 years & seen some awful results that have made me cringe. This was not one of them.
A Russian girl won in Russia. So ?.
I've studied both the SP's & LP's from both Yuna & Adelina & think the scores are pretty much spot on.
Yes, I would have had Carolina 2nd after the SP but that's because I think Carolina was under-marked in the SP.
But it was close. TOO close to call this a fix.
It's just beyond me why anyone would want to ruin what was a special ladies event with their hatred for a young girl they have never even met.
If Adelina had a fall or a big error then yes, I would be the first person to stand up for the sport I love & question the result but she never.
She had one minor error but more than made up for it with the other elements in her LP.
I just want this to be over now.
Some people on these boards were slating Julia Lipnitskaya before these games as they thought she would be the main threat but it was Adelina that won the Gold so now she is getting the hatred.
This is more to do with hatred towards Russia than seeing what was a fair result.
People on these threads have tried from day one of these Olympics to try to ruin the games by attacking the Russian audience, their Anti-gay laws (They are not the only country in this world with laws like this & in some countries you would get killed for being gay) & their athletes.
If you don't like Russian skaters, then don't watch.
But please, don't hide behind a so-called "fix" in order to slate them.
I get that Yuna supporters are angry that she skated clean & did not win.
But honestly, it was a very close competition & could have gone either way.
I really do not think it was a fix.
I've been watching skating for over 20 years & seen some awful results that have made me cringe. This was not one of them.
A Russian girl won in Russia. So ?.
I've studied both the SP's & LP's from both Yuna & Adelina & think the scores are pretty much spot on.
Yes, I would have had Carolina 2nd after the SP but that's because I think Carolina was under-marked in the SP.
But it was close. TOO close to call this a fix.
It's just beyond me why anyone would want to ruin what was a special ladies event with their hatred for a young girl they have never even met.
If Adelina had a fall or a big error then yes, I would be the first person to stand up for the sport I love & question the result but she never.
She had one minor error but more than made up for it with the other elements in her LP.
I just want this to be over now.
Some people on these boards were slating Julia Lipnitskaya before these games as they thought she would be the main threat but it was Adelina that won the Gold so now she is getting the hatred.
This is more to do with hatred towards Russia than seeing what was a fair result.
People on these threads have tried from day one of these Olympics to try to ruin the games by attacking the Russian audience, their Anti-gay laws (They are not the only country in this world with laws like this & in some countries you would get killed for being gay) & their athletes.
If you don't like Russian skaters, then don't watch.
But please, don't hide behind a so-called "fix" in order to slate them.
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maybe now they should attack Kansas and Arizona for their anti-gay bill laws
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But Lysacek was smart enough to put a number of those "inferior" jumps into the second half of his program for bonus points, thus gaming the system. There are PLENTY o' ways of getting the points with COP, not just what you do but when you do it. That strategy PLUS his artistry, choreography etc enabled him to win.
And then it for Plu/cek it became a debate about technique versus artistry. But really it was a debate about the scoring system--what it values and by how much. And what do we have now? Another debate about the scoring system, albeit about a more troubling aspect of it: the ease at which it can be manipulated by a judging panel. Still I think the similarities are eery.
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LGBT people do. The same way that we have spoken out about the horrendous situations for LGBT people in Africa. In Jamaica. In the Middle East. In Asia. And yes, in Kansas and Arizona. And even in New York City, where we've had a large increase in LGBT hate crimes. We're equal opportunity protesters. And even as we protest, I know the LGBT people I know in America are thankful that we can--without the threat of being arrested hanging over our heads.
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And Adelinaphobia.
I think a lot of people on here have it.
I think a lot of people on here have it.
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No, it's not Adelinaphobia. It's how many inconsistencies there were in that judging, the makeup of that judging panel, its anonymity, its lack of accountability. I would bet you would have the same kind of uproar if the games were held in Bayonne, NJ, and Peter Ueberroth's wife was on the judging panel, along with another judge who had been barred from the sport for a year for attempted cheating.
Couldn't agree with you more! also the bashing of Adelina on her facebook wall is truly disgusting and all of the culprits should be ashamed, I cant believe people think its ok to behave like that:no:
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I didn't know that Lysacek put some of his jumps into the second half to garner more points, so thanks for pointing this out. However, I still find it hard to agree with the belief that Sotnikova strategized well and collected more points under CoP. In the end there was only 2.94 difference in her and Kim's BV of SP and LP combined, and only 1.44 in jumps. Usually Kim would have crushed this with the GOEs and PCS she gets, but this time Sotnikova was suddenly getting monstrously inflated GOEs which even exceeded Kim's and almost the same PCS as hers. Now I'm not even sure what COP friendly strategy it was that Sotnikova capitalized on, but I don't think it was enough to explain the sudden boost she got in those scores. Did she gain significant competitiveness in her BV by changing her jump placements? or did she raise her GOEs by adding more transitions in and out of those jumping passes, like Kim did in Vancouver? Though I agree with you that these scores can easily be manipulated by the technical panel and judges, how Sotnikova worked those points with her own capacity is just beyond me.
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That's how skating is. I've seen hundreds of "strange" results in figure skating.
But this one was too close. It could have gone either way.
The anonymity & lack of accountability has been going on since the judging system changed after the Canadians through a tantrum in Salt Lake City 2002.
Why complain now ?.
It's the way skating is.
Boxing in the Olympics is judged & has had some awful results too. But that's how it is.
This is just another stick to beat Russia with. That's all.
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inflation. That alone should tell you it's not just another stick to beat Russia with. It's people genuinely fed up with glaring problems that the ISU refuses to acknowledge, let alone attempt to fix.
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So start hating on Canada too.
But you don't want to.
I get that you are offended by the Anti-gay laws in Russia but using skating to get your point across is just wrong.
Figure skating always has & always will have the "Judges favourites".
But the level of hatred directed at Adelina is awful.
Do you really think that Yuna was so far ahead of Adelina?.
If you do then you don't know figure skating very well.
It was close. Adelina won. Congratulate the girl or leave her alone.
