Classic Layback

Alba · Dec 12, 2014

CanadianSkaterGuy said:
Perfect biellman for me would have to go to Radionova. Beautiful teardrop shape and not strained looking, and very fast. Of course, Lip's variation is also nice.

I agree. I like Radionova's Biellman too.
By the way, about Yulia, does she choose to do that position or she can't do what Radinova does? Which I have to say sounds odd to me.

MalAssada · Dec 12, 2014

I think she does it for +GOE, since the level of flexibility required both for her legs and back are way harder than a normal Biellmann. Look at the arch of her back: http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1362093/julia-lipnitskaya.jpg and she is doing that while making a standing split.

Now look at Radionova's and notice how her back leg isn't in a 180° angle with her front leg - it requires less flexibility to do so: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/bc/33/23bc337eabbbdb7258cea2558f2a5806.jpg

And even less with, let's say, Mao's: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5286/5304097069_bd33e3a3a0_z.jpg

This is my understanding, though, and I'm far from an expert.

Alba · Dec 12, 2014

bellflower said:
I think she does it for +GOE, since the level of flexibility required both for her legs and back are way harder than a normal Biellmann. Look at the arch of her back: http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1362093/julia-lipnitskaya.jpg and she is doing that while making a standing split.

Now look at Radionova's and notice how her back leg isn't in a 180° angle with her front leg - it requires less flexibility to do so: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/bc/33/23bc337eabbbdb7258cea2558f2a5806.jpg

And even less with, let's say, Mao's: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5286/5304097069_bd33e3a3a0_z.jpg

This is my understanding, though, and I'm far from an expert.

Thanks bell. That's what I thought too.
It must be for the GoEs because there is no reason for her not to be able to do what Radionova does.
I like how Yulia does it, but I would love to see her doo the position that Radionova does. It's beautiful.

louisa05 · Dec 13, 2014

bellflower said:
I think she does it for +GOE, since the level of flexibility required both for her legs and back are way harder than a normal Biellmann. Look at the arch of her back: http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1362093/julia-lipnitskaya.jpg and she is doing that while making a standing split.

Now look at Radionova's and notice how her back leg isn't in a 180° angle with her front leg - it requires less flexibility to do so: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/bc/33/23bc337eabbbdb7258cea2558f2a5806.jpg

And even less with, let's say, Mao's: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5286/5304097069_bd33e3a3a0_z.jpg

This is my understanding, though, and I'm far from an expert.

And this is where the IJS makes me stabby. Let's trade a beautiful line/position for points. Not the fault of the skaters, of course. They are doing what they have to do to win competition.

ks777 · Dec 13, 2014

I used to love Angela's, Sarah Hughes, Sasha's, Naomi Nari Nam, Ye Bin Mok and Midori's layback spins.

Sandpiper · Dec 14, 2014

louisa05 said:
And this is where the IJS makes me stabby. Let's trade a beautiful line/position for points. Not the fault of the skaters, of course. They are doing what they have to do to win competition.

I think Yulia's Biellmann is nice too. It's unique--(almost?) no one else does it. I do personally prefer watching a Denise Biellmann/Mao Asada type Biellmann, but I'm all for variety.

zamboni step · Dec 22, 2014

Never realised this until now, but Riona Kato also has a very pleasant basic layback position and the rest of the spin is very well executed too.

ks777 · Dec 22, 2014

I always liked Nancy's layback Nancy Kerrigan

el henry · Dec 23, 2014

How bout the guys? I understand that Rohene Ward was a master of the layback

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohene_Ward#mediaviewer/File:Rohene_Ward_Layback.jpg

Interspectator · Dec 23, 2014

Takahashi had a lovely layback -Much better than his other spins.

Warwick360 · Dec 23, 2014

Alissa Czisny in my mind had a tremendous layback. Sad that I only came across her videos long after she had retired. :slink:

yuki · Dec 23, 2014

Katherine Healy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s_QhuJrDVW0#t=66

sunnystars · Dec 23, 2014

it's a rare position for Yuna....

edit: in terms of quality, I mean

LiamForeman · Dec 23, 2014

yuki said:
Katherine Healy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s_QhuJrDVW0#t=66

I loved Katherine Healy growing up! Thanks for posting that. Everything she did whether on ice or on ground was breathtaking.

jcoates · Dec 23, 2014

el henry said:
How bout the guys? I understand that Rohene Ward was a master of the layback

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohene_Ward#mediaviewer/File:Rohene_Ward_Layback.jpg

Rudy Galindo, Adam Rippon and Victor Petreko have used them regularly in programs...to the point that you notice when they don't include it. I'd say Rudy's is the best among the men, followed by Adam.

BTW, Here is Rohene's.

jimeonji · Dec 24, 2014

someone mentioned Midori's layback a while ago and I was watching her today, so: http://youtu.be/J8hkPlkIcH4?t=3m42s

el henry · Dec 24, 2014

jcoates said:
Rudy Galindo, Adam Rippon and Victor Petreko have used them regularly in programs...to the point that you notice when they don't include it. I'd say Rudy's is the best among the men, followed by Adam.

BTW, Here is Rohene's.

Thanks (and thanks to Newbiespectator for the head's up on Takahashi). I just had to watch Rudy Galindo's entire program again, a feel good story for Christmas Eve. :yay:

dorispulaski · Dec 26, 2014

Me too.Rudy's performance always makes me tear up. :love:

leolion11 · Dec 26, 2014

sunny_stars said:
it's a rare position for Yuna....

edit: in terms of quality, I mean

Idk but it seems like her free leg position still isn't that great...

tana · Dec 26, 2014

leolion11 said:
Idk but it seems like her free leg position still isn't that great...

Her free leg position is UGLY, it's quite a shame really considering the fact that her back arch isn't too shabby. She'd have looked a lot better with the free leg down on the ice like how Zijun does hers.
http://kuank.tumblr.com/post/93194724355/zijun-li-layback-spin

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