After watching the whole I still don't get how C/B got 74. And I don't event look at their whole body, I look at the edges and legs most of the time.
How is this sudden? I don't know how they are superior or untouchable to everyone else? If you look at the 4CC results, C/B had a bigger lead over W/P going into the FD (compared with Worlds), but W/P still won. Scores may be inflated for most of the top teams, but placement and score differential is essentially the same... and W/P would theoretically be in a better position now than they were at 4CC.
Remember Liz Manley, Dubreil and Lauzon, Stoijko - the curse is a realityI missed the 4CC.... if that's the case, I'm even more baffled. How did C&B suddenly become the V&M or D&W of ice dancing? It's like saying they're superior and untouchable in relation to everyone else, and I think all the top teams are closer in ability and talent the results show.
What's more baffling is rewarding the Shibs in 4CC and then crucifying them at Worlds, more or less putting them out of medal contention. Certainly, the Shibs should be ahead of C&L and possibly P&C and Ruslena.
Please..... I hope the Canadian Orser Curse doesn't extend to Kaitlyn and Andrew too. If they get silver again, I may just not watch skating until 2018.
I think they deserve high mark, but 74??Just wondering, are you saying the judges in Rostelecom, Skate America, GP and even the US Nationals were all wrong in giving C/B high marks? The Euro commentators thought their SD skating performance was spectacular!
Papadakis and Cizeron's ascent has been a lot faster. The French fed thought they were worse than Carron & Jones last year, and did not send them to tbe Olympics.
In both cases, a long-time top team has retired, and a newer, younger team has worked like crazy to improve themselves to grasp the top spot in their country.
And these days, when you are better technically, you don't get your elements downgraded. C&B have been getting top technical marks all year because they are making fewer mistakes than others. It is telling that in a thread full of dislike for Chock and Bates, that no one has so far pointed out an error that the tech panel missed in this performance of their short dance. The questions people have raised about their twizzles are GOE issues, not level issues. And GOE in dance, as in singles, is gotten by considering both the good and bad features, and adding them up.
Cappellini & Lanotte won over Weaver and Poje last year exactly because of W&P making more technical errors in the SD, despite C&L having shallower edges than C&B. It is not an unprecedented situation for W&P to have these kinds of problems. C&L were coached by Igor last year. Getting his teams to hit their key points is something Igor does very well. Other coaches apparently not as well, so far. C&B did not get the GOE and PCS of some of the other teams, but they made no errors.
Meanwhile, no one seems to be complaing about P&C's timing PCS grade, which I certainly would. Their timing is not up to the level of other top teams yet. They even lost a key point due to it. Their problems were not helped by the flamenco music they chose, which has very fast beats. To skate on the beat to that sort of stuff, you have to step on every third beat or so. It is hard to do. The result is that many teams do not do that well, P&C being one of them. Their FD is lovely, but IMO their SD gets somewhat better PCS than it should because of the aura of their FD.
P&C's SD actually has been my favorite despite consistent problems with steps, twizzles, awkward moments, the unrefined ending pose, etc. throughout the season. I do agree the music is difficult to skate to with the elements they're expected to do, but it's also why I like their SD - slightly different than the traditional PDs.
That is surely true that P&C's SD ascent has been incredibly fast compared to C&B. But at the moment, P&C are making enough mistakes that they can't be ranked higher.
But winning because you make the fewest mistakes or because you get the levels right is somewhat disappointing when the programs are kind of bland. C&B's lift and GOE was outstanding, and I was most impressed with that huge ice coverage of their footwork.
W&P has had consistent problems with nerves, though never really totally bombing. Twizzles and slight mistakes during transitions when they're nervous have been a problem. Should that cost them last year's Gold though?
Last year, C&L also won because they made the fewest mistakes, not because they were the most spectacular ice dancing performances. I find that hard to root for. Is this year going to be the same? I hope not.
I think they deserve high mark, but 74??
No no no Please no repeat of last year - maybe i am crazy but i would like to remember program that win - not the couple who made fewest mistakes,
Papadakis and Cizeron's ascent has been a lot faster. The French fed thought they were worse than Carron & Jones last year, and did not send them to tbe Olympics.
In both cases, a long-time top team has retired, and a newer, younger team has worked like crazy to improve themselves to grasp the top spot in their country.
Check out the dings from the tech panel they received at 2013 Rostelecom Cup. It was meteoric.
Papadakis and Cizeron's ascent has been a lot faster. The French fed thought they were worse than Carron & Jones last year, and did not send them to the Olympics.
But this is not only for the dance though. Scores have been increased in all disciplines.
Well, it's the right thing to do though, isn't it? The ones who don't make mistakes, or less mistakes, should be rewarded even if we might not like their programs or them as a couple. On the other hand I'm against punishing couples for a mistake more than it should be.