2023 Nebelhorn Trophy Pairs Free Skate

[Ichatdelune]

Lucrezia and Matteo are a fabulous team, but I'd have a job to find music I like less than "Cats".

To be fair most folks just hate Memory or Macavity, if skaters used other numbers (seriously somebody use Mongojerry and Rumpleteaser or something) there is a fair chance you'd like it

 

[cheerknithanson]

To be fair most folks just hate Memory or Macavity, if skaters used other numbers (seriously somebody use Mongojerry and Rumpleteaser or something) there is a fair chance you'd like it

That would be such a playful one. Especially if a juniors team skated to it.

 

[Ichatdelune]

That would be such a playful one. Especially if a juniors team skated to it.

A junior pair team as Mongojerry and Rumpleteaser will make me instantly stan them. Also applies to a junior man who does Rum Tum Tugger

 

[4everchan]

How were Lia and Trennt? I saw the protocols... the SP was strong... and now this LP was the second best... but they got lower PCS. Just curious.. not trying to call for a wuzrobbed moment LOL I haven't even seen the event (just their SP). But yeah... just short of the bronze... the event was probably very well skated or some teams got good scoring

 

[QuadThrow]

How were Lia and Trennt? I saw the protocols... they SP was strong... and now this LP was the second best... but they got lower PCS. Just curious.. not trying to call for a wuzrobbed moment LOL I haven't even seen the event (just their SP). But yeah... just short of the bronze... the event was probably very well skated or some teams got good scoring

They were really good!! Just one major mistake at the jump-combo. The rest was clean. The Gladiator Free skate has some really interesting moves and positions. It was a really tight race between them and H/K.

 

[LadyB]

A bit gutted Masha and Leszha didn't make the top 4, but happy for Hase/Volodin - Klimov Team rocks!

 

[Jumping_Bean]

How were Lia and Trennt? I saw the protocols... the SP was strong... and now this LP was the second best... but they got lower PCS. Just curious.. not trying to call for a wuzrobbed moment LOL I haven't even seen the event (just their SP). But yeah... just short of the bronze... the event was probably very well skated or some teams got good scoring

I like Lia and Trennt, and I think they are coming along so well, but I do think that PCS are their weak point more than tech, and getting lower scores in that than other teams here is not wholly unwarranted.

Even then, their PCS in the Free are really not massively lower than for example Annika and Robert's PCS, the difference was mainly in the Short. Two things to consider here - Annika is extremely expressive and charismatic, so H/K's presentation score tends to be among the higher PCS scores, especially in their more "fun" programs, and on the other hand, Lia and Trennt's SP was dinged mostly in composition when it comes to PCS. I understand why, there are at the moment still just some spots where the choreography doesn't really reflect tempo changes or the beat of the music.

I understand that placements matter a lot to the skaters etc., and I do think it could have gone either way, but I think the small margin was not inaccurate, no matter in which direction the decision went in the end.

 

[4everchan]

I like Lia and Trennt, and I think they are coming along so well, but I do think that PCS are their weak point more than tech, and getting lower scores in that than other teams here is not wholly unwarranted.

Even then, their PCS in the Free are really not massively lower than for example Annika and Robert's PCS, the difference was mainly in the Short. Two things to consider here - Annika is extremely expressive and charismatic, so H/K's presentation score tends to be among the higher PCS scores, especially in their more "fun" programs, and on the other hand, Lia and Trennt's SP was dinged mostly in composition when it comes to PCS. I understand why, there are at the moment still just some spots where the choreography doesn't really reflect tempo changes or the beat of the music.

I understand that placements matter a lot to the skaters etc., and I do think it could have gone either way, but I think the small margin was not inaccurate, no matter in which direction the decision went in the end.

yeah.. this makes sense... especially choreo being lower... i think they need a new coach

 

[withwings]

I totally agree. They need a new coach. Their choreography always is sort of ...empty.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I mean, they can stay with their coaches for all I care, but bringing in an independent choreographer could really do them well.
Not every choreographer works for everyone, it's just really hard if that choreographer is also your coach.

 

[throw_triple_flip]

Conti and Macii need to watch out, Hase and Volodin look more than good enough to take the European title.

 

[withwings]

I mean, they can stay with their coaches for all I care, but bringing in an independent choreographer could really do them well.
Not every choreographer works for everyone, it's just really hard if that choreographer is also your coach.

...provided it is their coach who support and suggest for them to try a different choreographer... imho it is very, very unlikely that Trennt or Lia ever will ever come to this idea on their own to go to some other choreographer.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

...provided it is their coach who support and suggest for them to try a different choreographer... imho it is very, very unlikely that Trennt or Lia ever will ever come to this idea on their own to go to some other choreographer.

And even if they did, I don't think they'd ever suggest it to their coaches. What an awkward situation, like how do you tell your coach-choreographer that you don't want them to choreograph for you anymore without hurting their feelings?

 

[icewhite]

And even if they did, I don't think they'd ever suggest it to their coaches. What an awkward situation, like how do you tell your coach-choreographer that you don't want them to choreograph for you anymore without hurting their feelings?

I would likely not start with "we don't want you to choreograph for us anymore", but say that you have developed and would like to try another style, try to work with other choreographers as well to grow and experience something out of what you are used to. Is that so terrible to say? Isn't it in a way normal and healthy to feel that way?

 

[4everchan]

And even if they did, I don't think they'd ever suggest it to their coaches. What an awkward situation, like how do you tell your coach-choreographer that you don't want them to choreograph for you anymore without hurting their feelings?

i guess they could try to do one program with Purkiss and one with another choreo? That may be an easier pill to swallow.

I am guessing that it's a more difficult situation because Purkiss doesn't have a dozen of elite teams.... I only knew of her because of Trennt and Evelyn and now Trennt and Lia. No idea if she even has other teams with potential right now... Compare that to Marcotte or Evans... I think they wouldn't care less if there was an idea of bringing in different people for "advice" ... it's always delicate for sure, but it's worse in their case.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I would likely not start with "we don't want you to choreograph for us anymore", but say that you have developed and would like to try another style, try to work with other choreographers as well to grow and experience something out of what you are used to. Is that so terrible to say? Isn't it in a way normal and healthy to feel that way?

It's not something terrible, but a lot of coaches do have a certain amount of ego, and a sometimes very close (almost unhealthily so) connection to their athletes especially if there are not a lot of students they are working with. Trennt has been with their current coaches for around 9 years, and in all of that time the only choreographer they have worked with was Eric Radford, and look at how that turned out.

 

[withwings]

I mean, they can stay with their coaches for all I care, but bringing in an independent choreographer could really do them well.
Not every choreographer works for everyone, it's just really hard if that choreographer is also your coach.

It is exactly what I was intended to say. Thank you.

 

[4everchan]

they had carol and juris once (with evelyn) radford, i believe, did two lps, again for walsh and michaud.... of course, he won't be invited to do more. Honestly, we also don't need Julie Marcotte to do yet another choreo of Canadian pairs. She's done enough I'd like to see something very different.