Huh? This is my first time in the thread in some time. That statement just caught my attention. I don't agree that she "avoided" competition.
Then just say so, instead of using big words like "coward".
Huh? This is my first time in the thread in some time. That statement just caught my attention. I don't agree that she "avoided" competition.
What about last year? Or 2011? She skated awfully well the week of the GPF this season, so I find it hard to believe that she couldn't skate a week or two earlier.
Then just say so, instead of using big words like "coward".
Ah yes.. "The sport is declining". Logical solution...attack the fans. That will help.
I see nothing wrong with that. Yuna has not of ardent fans who are willing to go on youtube and dislike every video clip of her rivals like Mao, Miki, Adelina. Why shoudln't some one fawn over a 15-years-old girl? She is very adorable and talented anyways.I did not attack anyone. You asked if I ever praised any other skaters, and I said yes, many, although I do not fawn over under-developed 15 year old girls with junior-ish skating skills. I know some people do indulge in that, but I am not one of them.
I don't think it's cowardly. It is a smart decision if you have a good enough reputation to pull off not competing and being able to still get high scores. I think the only reason Miki was able to win Worlds in 2011 was because she dominated the entire season and her scores escalated throughout the year leading up to Worlds. Yuna didn't compete at all and was still able to almost win.
When other skaters also skate well the judges have to look at Yuna's programs more closely. Yes, Adelina's PCS was higher that it had been through the season, but the judges had the programs to look at side-by-side. If a judge thought Adelina's PCS was better after watching both programs (and many did), they should score based on what they saw at that moment, not try to judge based on what the skaters received in the past.
My eyebrow was raising higher and higher with every slide I read that google doc, but I just stopped reading when whoever who made the slideshow tried to "prove" that BOTH 3Ts in Sotnikova's SP 3T-3T combination were under-rotated. I can understand why people think the 3Lz-3T in the LP was suspicious, but the SP 3T-3T was literally one of the biggest I've ever seen! The first 3T practically finished rotating almost a foot off the ice and the second was nearly as high!
Sorry, cuon_alpinus, it's really hard to take the slideshow with even a modicum of seriousness after that.
From what I understand, figure skating is scored based on LIVE performance, not repeated video clips. And the judges give the scores based on the performance they have just watched right away, they only 3-5 minutes to review all the elements and execution.
In response to the poster who asked us to compare all the top long programs, and not just Adelina versus Yuna, I went back to the protocols and found this:
In Asada's particular situation, aside from the low GOEs and unwarranted URs, the two judges who scored her PCS most harshly gave her a 65.6 and a 66, judges 6 and 7. Those same two judges gave Sotnikova her columns of almost entirely +3 GOEs as well as PCS scores of 74.4 and 77.2, respectively. They were not even the two judges who gave Sotnikova her highest PCS scores (Judge 2 was also overzealous), but my point here is that we can't dismiss their lowballing of Mao as simply due to them being conservative judges in general; they are obviously open to giving high 9s to skaters (or perhaps just one skater). Argue as you may, but I don't think anybody could ever justify giving Asada a 66 in PCS and Sotnikova a 77.2 in comparison. It's just not credible.
Asada got low scores because she skated early. This isn't the first time this has happened; in fact it almost always happens. Caro got substantially higher PCS than Yuna in the SP because she skated much later. In the LP, Yuna got the highest PCS because she skated last. Is it fair? Probably not, but that's just how scoring works in figure skating. Asada was in no way singled-out.
I don't think it's cowardly. It is a smart decision if you have a good enough reputation to pull off not competing and being able to still get high scores. I think the only reason Miki was able to win Worlds in 2011 was because she dominated the entire season and her scores escalated throughout the year leading up to Worlds. Yuna didn't compete at all and was still able to almost win.
When other skaters also skate well the judges have to look at Yuna's programs more closely. Yes, Adelina's PCS was higher that it had been through the season, but the judges had the programs to look at side-by-side. If a judge thought Adelina's PCS was better after watching both programs (and many did), they should score based on what they saw at that moment, not try to judge based on what the skaters received in the past.
That I agree. Even though I don't like Adelina's style, and I still couldn't figure out the theme of her FS, she did skate so well. The commentators was so fired up at her jumps even though they disagree with her PCS.
As for Yuna, I was kind of underwhelmed. Maybe I had expected her to be better than Vancouver 2010, but she was not.
Actually that was just through the magic of pre-rotation. The link even said it's because of the pre-rotation, not because of the landing. She finished early in the air because she had already rotated so much on the ice before lifting off.
A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take off will be considered as a downgraded jump. The toe loop is the most commonly cheated on take-off jump. The Technical Panel may only watch the replay in regular speed to determine the cheat and downgrade on the take off (more often in combinations or sequences).
I agree that "oh this program will grow on you if you watch it a bunch of times" shouldn't really be directly considered in the judging (they obviously don't have time to sit back and reflect on the program over a long walk on the beach). However, I don't agree that "they only have a few minutes to review the elements, therefore judging mistakes are okay." They're judges. They're supposed to be experts at this, and they have access to better video than the blurry youtubes that we're stuck with (or at least I am, let me know if there are high-quality ones out there).
Certainly I don't expect the judges to be perfect, since they're human after all. But it strains credulity to find that they make multiple mistakes in two skater's performances -- the two that have been analyzed the most so far -- and then justify that by saying "well it's a lot to do and they don't have a lot of time". How many other mistakes did they make that we don't know about simply because we haven't dug into other skaters' performances yet? Either 1) they make a similar amount of mistakes in other performances, and you're saying it's okay that the judges aren't doing their jobs properly despite making multiple mistakes, or 2) the other performances don't have this many mistakes, which then lead to the question of why.
I want to know the theme of her FS, too. Can someone clarify?
Sorry for being shallow, I am so confused at Tat's explanation. I would rather think Adelina's free skate does not have a theme, though. :scratch:According to Tatiana Tarasova, Sotnikova's freeskate "shows how people are torn between the classic and modern dance. Everything goes, in general, from the classics, but in my heart there is a break, and one half of a person is drawn to classical art, the other is already seized plasticity of modern times. As two different directions coexist in man as he tries to combine them, and in the end it turns out that happiness, because it turns out to be possible and then, and more ... New Life joins the old. "
See the Pre-Rotation Questions thread in the Figure Skating References section of this forum.
But there's no requirement for a competitive figure skating program to have a theme. That's one consideration among many under the Choreography component.
Oh, I think if you took any two performances, a group of fans with an agenda to "prove" that one skater deserved higher scores and the other deserved lower could find and invent a similar number of "mistakes" in the technical calls.
Yes, I know a theme is not required, but it still has to express a mood or some sort of atmosphere. Thank you for the info.
What's the point. Adelina is an Olympic champion. Yuna is a silver medalist. It will not change.
You or I might as well be called olympic champion.
When you go out on the ice, skate the best 7 triple program of your life with the pressure of skating in front of an audience who is hoping you will win