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The thing is the high base value for jumps is offset by low BV for everything else. His advantage over Patrick Chan from Jump base value is less than a point (69.23 for Bradley vs 68.43 for Chan), which Chan earns back by the first step sequence.
No one expects Bradley to come close to Patrick Chan--even Bradley seems to be hoping for a podium finish, not a win.
Exactly.
In general, people were defending Ryan's ability to finish top 10 to secure 2 spots for next year, when some people claimed he had no chance of doing that. No one was claiming he was going to win. Serious Ryan fans kind of hoped he could end up as high as 6th, if some other skaters stumble.
And whatever else Ryan is, he is not Johnny Weir, and he isn't listing jumps he can't do. He will try those quads & 3A's. He may not land them, but he will definitely try them. The idea that he is listing them for effect is just too
And whatever else Ryan is, he is not Johnny Weir, and he isn't listing jumps he can't do. He will try those quads & 3A's. He may not land them, but he will definitely try them. The idea that he is listing them for effect is just too
In other words, for Bradley's base value in jumps to materialize, he would have to surpass his jumping content from the U.S. Nationals, otherwise, the advantage remains on paper only and not a real one since he never actually executed those jumps successfully - just as Johnny Weir who listed Quad for his Olympic FS but never even intended to attempt it at all.
^ I must have missed them, too. A few people -- me, for instance -- posted that if Bradley reels off all of his planned big-jump fireworks then the judges might be impressed enough to give him a top ten finish.
Chan fan paranoia seems to have magnified this harmless hope into a boogieman that can be exorcised only by shining the purifying light of CoP numbers on it.
As for Ryan -- hey, the boy is doing the best he can with the measure of talent that the good Lord, in his wisdom, has bequeathed him. :yes:
No one expects Bradley to come close to Patrick Chan--even Bradley seems to be hoping for a podium finish, not a win.
I too must have missed something since I don't understand the bolded part of your post. Can you direct me to such event on this board?
When you are backing a phenomenal talent, you don't concern much with challenges from other skaters.
I brought up Chan on this thread because it was asked of Bradley and his answer illustrates his mindset and emphasis on jumps, consistent with his recent interview with Kurt Browning, which I described for those who have no access to the video. It also interests me as a contrast to Yuzuru Hanyu who had one opportunity to watch Chan practice and the effect on him is completely different. Bradley is training with Chan on the same rink almost everyday and he is motivated to practice hard to improve the element that he already loves and is best in. Hanyu, OTOH, upon seeing Chan live, was awed and inspired to actually imitate Chan's skating and surprised at the increased speed. Here lies the difference between motivation and inspiration. Motivation is reinforcement of one's pursuit and chosen path while inspiration shows one a new and better way of doing things and a different or additional means to success. Hanyu has several idols he looks up to and I see him as someone with a potential to be a great rounded skater whereas Bradley's narrow focus will remain narrow. He is motivated to stay his course instead of being inspired to broaden his scope or try to raise the level of his skating and spins to be closer to that of his training mate who is the best in the world.
Chan is going to win worlds by 20 points. He will get straight 9's across the board in PCSs, well-deserved. He will hit a bunch of quads.
I am sorry if I offended anyone. I was referring to posts of the type of #12 above by Wally Lutz).
It is disappointing that it was you of all people to make this kind of post.
I am sorry if I offended anyone. I was referring to posts of the type of #12 above by Wally Lutz).
Chan is going to win worlds by 20 points. He will get straight 9's across the board in PCSs, well-deserved. He will hit a bunch of quads. Why then the hand-wringing about whether Bradley can or cannot amass 69.5 base points if he skates his best?
That was the point I was trying to make. :yes:
What I was trying to get at in my comment about God-given talent is that Bradley will never skate like Chan (in terms of blade-on-ice skills, edging, footwork, transitions, steps and turns) no matter what motivation or inspiration might possess him. If training with Patrick got him at least to pour on the coal in the jumps department, good for him.