Mathman said:As for Fumie, as nice as her program was, there is just no way you can place her effort above a clean program with seven triples including two triple-triples, doubling the Salchow or not.
I was half afraid she would really let go and do a 3Lo at the end, negating the whole element, like Slutskaya did at Moscow.SeaniBu said:Was everyone aware the 2A/2T/2Lo was planned as a 2A/2T? And so alive but not over taken with giddy little, " oooohhh wow I can't believe," etc....
That IMO is the same thing that has been the course of Fumie w/ LN.Joesitz said:Kimmie had a very nice routine but it was all Lori Nichol and not Kimmie. It's time now for her to get with developing a Kimmie style.
Hunh? I guess that is like when a guy is dating a girl and his friends just don't see why they all think she is so...No reson to dispute that, but I can't see how she doesn't crawl in anyones heart and make it warm and fuzzy place.Joesitz said:Fumie is a skater I am always happy to see win medals. She is so earnest in her skating but as a performer, she just doesn't get to me.
That is such a GREAT comment Joe! My Brother (thank goodness I am adopted) had similar issues. Maybe she needs Prozac?Joesitz said:Sasha has it all as we've been saying since 2000. Whatever the demons are they must go because she up against some superior jumpers which may just out wow her flexibility.
Mathman said:Along with the jumps, I thought she brought a lot of fire, spirit and youthful joie de vie. When she came down to that last 2A/2T/2Lo she had just as much energy as for her opening 3F/3T.
Mathman said:As for Fumie, as nice as her program was, there is just no way you can place her effort above a clean program with seven triples including two triple-triples, doubling the Salchow or not.
Are you talking about the 2006 Worlds LP that we just saw repeated on TV? The one where Kimmie's TES was 69.47 and Fumie's was 58.86?Zuranthium said:If Fumie hadn't doubled the Salchow her total technical value would have only been 4 points behind Meissner.
SeaniBu said:I am really surprised that more weren't impressed with Kimmies LP.
Mathman said:Are you talking about the 2006 Worlds LP that we just saw repeated on TV? The one where Kimmie's TES was 69.47 and Fumie's was 58.86?
euterpe said:In addition to the points lost on the doubled jumps, Fumie also lost 2.27 points on her flip combination, which had a very sloppy landing. In contrast, Kimmie got +GOE on ALL her jumps and beat Fumie on the TCS score by 10.61 points.
Fumie finished 8.59 points behind Kimmie overall. Even if she hadn't doubled the salchow and did a clean flip combination, she would still have been 4+ points behind.
Fumie wouldn't have gotten 5 points higher on the PCS for a clean FS. PCS scores don't get elevated that high unless there is a spectacular performance. Fumie doesn't skate with great expression and her non-jump elements (except for the final spin) aren't extraordinary. She might get one or two PCS points more, at the most.
Mathman said:No, in the Olympics she flubbed both of her triple/triple combos and at Worlds she nailed them. The CoP loves that kind of "choreography and interpretation."
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A little of both, I guess. She was great, but I'm not sure she was high 7's great in PCSs.Zuranthium said:I'm not sure if you're making fun of yourself or not. First you say Kimmie was great and now you say she didn't deserve her marks.
Mathman said:What I was really making fun of was the way the CoP treats the component scores. In particular, of the wide discrepancy (IMHO) between the written criteria and the way the marks are actually given by the judging panels.