Quad is a gold medal standard, yes, but the current system of judging has removed emphasis from the jumps and spread it to all other aspects of the program. Evan's program was far more difficult than the programs in 1988 because the actual choreography/spins/footwork was much more demanding. Jump-wise his program wasn't particularly difficult, but in terms of the overall program it was better than Plushenko's (even Irina Rodnina acknowledged that Lysacek was better). While Plushenko focused on his quads, the other guys focused on their programs.
The point is that when you say "It's not men's skating without a quad", it shows a sense of entitlement to winning and instead of being gracious in defeat (especially when he already had an Olympic gold medal), he decided to complain about it.
And I wouldn't attribute the quads we see today as Plushenko and others protesting. The value of quads were slightly increased, but you got skaters doing them much more consistently (like Chan, Fernandez, Amodio, etc.). Chan had actually planned to do quads at the Olympics but a year of injury set him back a season (hence why he was consistently starting to land them the year after Vancouver).
P.s. if it's not men's skating without a quad, then should Plushenko's quadless Euros 2013 SP and Euros 2012 SP not be considered "men's skating", by his own words?
Jump-wise his program wasn't particularly difficult, but in terms of the overall program it was better than Plushenko's (even Irina Rodnina acknowledged that Lysacek was better). While Plushenko focused on his quads, the other guys focused on their programs.
(even Irina Rodnina acknowledged that Lysacek was better). While Plushenko focused on his quads, the other guys focused on their programs.
P.s. if it's not men's skating without a quad, then should Plushenko's quadless Euros 2013 SP and Euros 2012 SP not be considered "men's skating", by his own words?
Well....Plushenko actually tied Lysacek in PCS in the LP (both received exactly 82.80 points) and received the third-highest PCS of the night (a measly 1.7 points behind Takahashi, who had the highest PCS in the LP) despite this focus on his quad. Charming, isn't it? Seems like focusing on the quad didn't exactly hurt Plushenko all that much compared to the "other guys [who] focused on their programs."
Well....Plushenko actually tied Lysacek in PCS in the LP (both received exactly 82.80 points) and received the third-highest PCS of the night (a measly 1.7 points behind Takahashi, who had the highest PCS in the LP) despite this focus on his quad. Charming, isn't it? Seems like focusing on the quad didn't exactly hurt Plushenko all that much compared to the "other guys [who] focused on their programs."
"But if the Federation had stepped in, he would have taken home the gold".
Yes, I knew that isn't the whole qoute, I didn't know where to look, but finally I found it :
The other guys made errors, so it made sense that their PCS didn't score as high. He was still outscored in PCS categories, notably 5th in choreography.
It's rather ironic that Plushenko (and others, such as Rodnina) were so dismayed that the Russian federation didn't step in, and then Plushenko attributes Chan's 2013 Worlds win to his federation.
2010: "I should have had at least a 5 point lead over my competitors [after the SP]. In the end however, the gap amounted to a mere 0.55 to which our Federation did not react at all.”
2013: "Patrick Chan didn’t win, his figure skating federation did!"
So when his gold was on the line, the Russian federation should have intervened... but then he audaciously slams the Canadian federation (without any concrete evidence) for politicking for Chan's gold.
CSG! You are such an entertaining controversialist!:agreeon't you understand, really?
Plushenko received too low scores for his SP, or the others received too high scores, thus the difference was too small. He didn't understand why the Rus Fed didn't step.( like the SC did in 2002)
Chan received too high scores for the weak skating in LP...probably, because the SC is so strong and influential...
There is no point in asking this question if you yourself already answered it: "How exactly do you know if a poster is gay unless they mention it?" An online poster and a Plu hater can say "I am gay" (like you did), and I accept it as the fact. A skater can come out as gay, so that' s it. But to claim, like you, that fans are gays is way too stupid, even for you. How do you know that fans are gays? What I saw on the screen from the Canadian London is a retirement village of 60+yo ladies. According to you they are lesbian babushkas. Fine, I'll take you word for that. But the fs fandom is not your Canadian rock that you keep failing to get out. There is a world beyond that, full of younger people. And not necessary gays. I am one of them.So, then you obviously surveyed all the worst Plu haters and asked them about their sexuality, right? :sarcasm:
Brian was defending quad as a basic feature of Men's segment. Easy to see.Um, but Evan is straight, so I don't see your point or Brian's point.
Is it a Canadian feature to cheat with everything, including interpretation? He said "not a Man", not "not a man." They obviously didn't teach the meaning of the capital letters in your alma mater. The "man" implies just a gender. While the "Man" means the character. Like the one who has balls to challenge quads.As for Plushenko insinuating that a skater without a quad is "not a man", that is misogynistic and borderline homophobic...
No, it's not homophobic to call gays gays. If you get oversensitive when a straight guy call you gay, that's not a big deal for anyone. I am sure most of gays are fine with being called gays by a not-gay.calling North American skaters effeminate homosexuals, which is flat out homophobic
So are ISU, so is your beloved PChan, so are practically all male skaters who put quads, and often more than one, in their competitive progs. They are all stupid.Not having a quad should not equal being gay or being unmanly, and gay should not equal effeminate, so those were offensive, ignorant, stupid remarks for them to make and you're even stupider if you're actually trying to defend that.
Do you not have google? Even poorly updated wiki has almost twice more names of soccer players, for example, listed as gays. So?Name 15 openly gay soccer or NFL or tennis players
"I, Royal We." you mean by "we"? The definition of "gay" is a homosexual person. That's flat out misogynistic of you to imply that a woman is not a person. "I am gay" is a phrase that can be said by a lesbian.by gay we are obviously talking about males, by definition.
The same as the humankind in general had and has, historically and biologically, more straight people than gays. Therefore it's plain idiotic to put on fs the label "gay sport".sports like soccer/football/tennis have historically had a far greater number of athletes than figure skaters, and yet there are still more openly gay figure skaters those sports.)
In DOI last summer PChan didn't come in a finale with Dai, Mura and Kozuka to do 3A. He came with Akiko, Kanako and girls to do spins. So yes, if you don't do male elements, you skate with ladies. Some actually do. By their own choice.But it came out more like "If you don't do a quad, then your skating doesn't deserve to be called men's skating." And there's an implication that "You might as well be skating with the ladies."
CSG! You are such an entertaining controversialist!:agreeon't you understand, really?
Plushenko received too low scores for his SP, or the others received too high scores, thus the difference was too small. He didn't understand, why the RF have not stepped..( like the SC did in 2002)
Chan received too high scores for the weak skating in LP...probably, because the SC is so strong and influential...
To me Plushenko leading the SP in 2010 Olympics was similar to Gachinski leading the SP in 2012 Euros. Plushenko is a better skater than Gachinski in 2012, and Lysacek/Takahashi had better programs than Plushenko in 2010. Plushenko in 2012 and Lysacek/Takahashi in 2012 did no quad. Hence, even with a quad, the skater with the inferior program (Gachinski in 2012 Euros, Plushenko in 2010 Olympics) does end up leading, but not leading by a whole lot -- certainly not by 5 points.
Saying "I should have been leading by at least 5 points" is absolutely ridiculous given Plushenko's choreography being inferior to Lysacek/Takahashi/Lambiel/Chan... that statement is essentially saying his short program PCS should have been at least 44.20 points (his personal best is 42.50 from Euros 2012, for comparison.. and that's with improvement since 2010). Plushenko was under the impression that a clean program with a quad = highest PCS, which is not the case.
As far as federations stepping in, in SLC, there was actual evidence and admission to cheating -- which is different than speculating, without evidence, that a federation won a title for a skater (Chan), or saying after the fact that your federation should have pushed for you to earn more points when you're already in the lead (Plushenko). The reason Plushenko didn't politic the 2010 SP results is because he was leading -- him and the Russian fed didn't care about the SP gap until he actually lost the gold. And if he was so worried about the minimal gap after the SP, then he should have done everything in his FS (including the 3-jump combo, getting higher levels on his spins/footwork) to ensure a victory.
:thumbsup: I have never seen this video!!! Thank you !!!!! So funny!
Thank you for the link! I remember them at the competitions, but i have never seen this program. Really funny!!!! Lloyd/Patricia is very pretty ....Another great cross-dressing exhibition by a guy well known to be all too hetero, Lloyd Eisler (and Isabelle Brasseur)
Patricia the Stripper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo6LPWkg70g
Let's Talk said:What I saw on the screen from the Canadian London is a retirement village of 60+yo ladies. According to you they are lesbian babushkas.
The "man" implies just a gender. While the "Man" means the character. Like the one who has balls to challenge quads.
Rodnina said:The Russian Federation should have stepped in.
There is no point in asking this question if you yourself already answered it: "How exactly do you know if a poster is gay unless they mention it?" An online poster and a Plu hater can say "I am gay" (like you did), and I accept it as the fact. A skater can come out as gay, so that' s it. But to claim, like you, that fans are gays is way too stupid, even for you.
TIs it a Canadian feature to cheat with everything, including interpretation? He said "not a Man", not "not a man." They obviously didn't teach the meaning of the capital letters in your alma mater. The "man" implies just a gender. While the "Man" means the character. Like the one who has balls to challenge quads.
No, it's not homophobic to call gays gays. If you get oversensitive when a straight guy call you gay, that's not a big deal for anyone. I am sure most of gays are fine with being called gays by a not-gay.
The definition of "gay" is a homosexual person. That's flat out misogynistic of you to imply that a woman is not a person. "I am gay" is a phrase that can be said by a lesbian.
Especially when he's been outskated by men who have performed harder and more quads than he has, you'd think he wouldn't criticize other guys for not having his level of difficulty. Not to mention, even with his quads, he's made errors on simple jumps like 3S or 2A. Kinda like when Joubert in 2010 Worlds criticized guys who didn't do quads, and then fell on a simple 2A at Worlds. What's that about karma?
To me Plushenko leading the SP in 2010 Olympics was similar to Gachinski leading the SP in 2012 Euros. Plushenko is a better skater than Gachinski in 2012, and Lysacek/Takahashi had better programs than Plushenko in 2010.