Capitol Police arrest antiwar activist Sheehan
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to be fair they also escorted out a Republican Senator's wife out of the room because she had a "Support our Troops" t-shirt
apparently only formal attire is allowed during the State of the Union
apparently only formal attire is allowed during the State of the Union
I think there is a law against protests being conducted at a state of the union address by the president. If Jihad Cindee wants to try to drown out the president, she gotta do it outside, kids. That's an old Marxist trick, by the way, when you can't win with reason, just drown out your opponent.
Personally, I don't know why Ms. Sheehan doesn't just stay in Venezuela. She'd be in good company there.
Personally, I don't know why Ms. Sheehan doesn't just stay in Venezuela. She'd be in good company there.
JillLaQ said:
Is that the gradification that she and her dead hero son gets for going to fight in war that should never had started. Do your duty, die in the process and let your love ones fight for your memory and push you to the side as if you were garbage. I have two sons, if I were in her position, I would probably do the same or I would die in the process.
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Her actions have brought shame to her sons name, imo, who, btw, went to Iraq, willingly.
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JillLaQ said:
Why do people always want those they don't agree with to leave the country? Do you not want to hear dissenting opinions and if not, why not?
Yes, her son went to Iraq willingly. But we never, ever should have gone into Iraq and Cindy has the right (so far, not sure how much longer) to voice her opinion, as I do mine. And you do yours.
All to just get some more media attention to herself, get people riled up, etc etc etc. Her poor son is probably rolling in his grave, God bless him, right now at her pathetic conduct all to get attention. It is not about her son or the war. It is all about his mother's agenda. *shrugs*
Lanie said:
Yeah, that pesky peace thing has got to be stopped.
It sounds Marxist to me.
I must have missed the memo.... after 2,300 dead soldiers and 17,000 maimed ones, where did they find all those "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq? Remind me again how many of the highjackers were Iraqi?
That'll be a big load off the mind of those of us who perceive this as an immoral invasion, propelled by lies and falsifications, designed to feather the nests of Bush supporters...oil companies...Halliburton....military/industrial complex.
How do fundamental Christians who support Bush reconcile "Thou shalt not kill" with this anyway? Are some souls simply of more value than others?
Those of you who are sure Cindy Sheehan's son is "rolling over in his grave" must surely have some insights.
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Aloft04 said:
um actually it's thou shalt not murder... there's nothing against war in the Bible... God sent many a battle the Israelites way... AND in the New Testament we also deal with battles, though mostly spiritual.
you could argue that since this war is in the Middle East that it's pointless because until the "end times" there will be no peace in Israel. Which by all accounts is the Middle East give or take a few countries... but they are all arguing over a specific spot so I guess until that's resolved... *shrugs* However the Bible also warns about terrorism and other such things. I'm not calling Bush a saint or a heavenly warrior or anything, I'm just bringing up more Biblical issues...
http://www.sbc.net has talked about the Christian view on war several times over the last few years... not sure if the links are still up, but they can explain it better than I can... I can't explain my way out of a paper bag
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kill/murder
potato/puh-tah-toe
potato/puh-tah-toe
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There's a differnece between murder and self-defense.
Saddam, had always supported and committed terror acts, and friends in that way with Osama Bin Laden. So, we and the Iraqi people are better off without him, and his many cronies, in any type of power. We also have the troops to thank for taking them down.
True, we're not there for war anymore, and there are still casualties, but the soldiers are needed there to keep order until we feel confident enough that they're not needed for that anymore. If we didn't have those willing souls over there, right now, things would probably start going backwards. They're the glue holding things together, right now.
Iraq, needs a way to bounce back after having a dictator in power for so long. Democracy is beginning, but it'll take time for their government to put together the laws the way they want and so on. "Rome wasn't built in a day."
Saddam, had always supported and committed terror acts, and friends in that way with Osama Bin Laden. So, we and the Iraqi people are better off without him, and his many cronies, in any type of power. We also have the troops to thank for taking them down.
True, we're not there for war anymore, and there are still casualties, but the soldiers are needed there to keep order until we feel confident enough that they're not needed for that anymore. If we didn't have those willing souls over there, right now, things would probably start going backwards. They're the glue holding things together, right now.
Iraq, needs a way to bounce back after having a dictator in power for so long. Democracy is beginning, but it'll take time for their government to put together the laws the way they want and so on. "Rome wasn't built in a day."
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Aloft04 said:
He's the Lion and the Lamb.
Was there Peace with Saddam in power? Will Peace continue in Iraq if we leave before the goal of a full Iraqi democracy is put into place?
You can put me down if you want to, but don't mess with my God, thank you.
Hmmm-m, maybe 'my God' has told me he/she wants peace and a shift in this country away from our brisk walk down the path of fascism and trampling of our civil liberties.
Maybe 'my God' is a loving god and told me that this country's priorities are completely evil-directed right now and that we should spend some time/money/resources on the betterment of the lives of the poorest among us.
Invading Iraq has created a perfect greenhouse for the proliferation of terrorism... and we're getting bogged down deeper and deeper. For what? There never were any WMD in Iraq...there never was going to be 'a mushroom shaped cloud' that Condoleeza Rice convinced us was Iraq's to employ. Think about it. It was a ruse to get you to follow.
While children starve in Africa we spew cowboy rhetoric..."We won't back down."
"Bring it on...""Mission accomplished..."and drop more bombs. ..and continue to be surprised at the resistance...and lose more lives...and take more lives. Who would Jesus bomb?
They continue to use fear and lies and fake piety and righteousness to further divide this country. They wrap themselves in the flag and wave a bible and the sheep follow. I'm not going to be silent about it anymore and if that offends you and "your God" then "my God" and I say - better get used to it. You're offended by that? I'm offended by bloody, dead Iraqi children lying in the street. I'm offended by torture. I'm offended by kidnapping the wives of insurgents to use as 'bait'. I'm offended of war profiteering.
I'll be banned after this post, so I'll just say goodbye and good luck now. We're going to need it if we don't start THINKING instead of just believing.
Maybe 'my God' is a loving god and told me that this country's priorities are completely evil-directed right now and that we should spend some time/money/resources on the betterment of the lives of the poorest among us.
Invading Iraq has created a perfect greenhouse for the proliferation of terrorism... and we're getting bogged down deeper and deeper. For what? There never were any WMD in Iraq...there never was going to be 'a mushroom shaped cloud' that Condoleeza Rice convinced us was Iraq's to employ. Think about it. It was a ruse to get you to follow.
While children starve in Africa we spew cowboy rhetoric..."We won't back down."
"Bring it on...""Mission accomplished..."and drop more bombs. ..and continue to be surprised at the resistance...and lose more lives...and take more lives. Who would Jesus bomb?
They continue to use fear and lies and fake piety and righteousness to further divide this country. They wrap themselves in the flag and wave a bible and the sheep follow. I'm not going to be silent about it anymore and if that offends you and "your God" then "my God" and I say - better get used to it. You're offended by that? I'm offended by bloody, dead Iraqi children lying in the street. I'm offended by torture. I'm offended by kidnapping the wives of insurgents to use as 'bait'. I'm offended of war profiteering.
I'll be banned after this post, so I'll just say goodbye and good luck now. We're going to need it if we don't start THINKING instead of just believing.
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CzarinaAnya said:
Couldn't have said it better myself.Tonichelle, you are spot on.
PrincessLeppard - there is a HUGE Biblical difference between killing and mudering, if you look at the Hebrew word, it actually means something equal to "deliberately, with premeditation and intent, take a human life". Otherwise we wouldn't be able to kill animals for food, or plants for food for that matter, or defend ourselves.....that said, I don't believe there is a singular "Christian view" on the war, or on many things.
Just as a complete aside, everyone who goes into the defence forces go into it knowing that they may be sent off to war, yes, they are most definitely heroes, but if you don't want to go and fight (and unfortunately, this comes with consequences), don't join the forces. That's a big part of what they do - not many (if any) countries allow one to sign up for peace keeping duties and not fighting. That's why is a tough and serious decision to join the forces, but we should be grateful that their is a choice and not a requirement.
I guess other than ending slavery during the civil war, the murder of millions of Jews during WW2, and communist oppression in various other parts of the world, war has never solved a thing.
As for Iraq, one of the reasons why we're there is because the military epicenter of a religion that wants to kill everyone and anyone different from them is in, you guessed it, Iraq. They don't want to talk, they want you dead. Also, don't you think they had time to stash their WMDs? We sure gave them enough time to.
And by the way, dissent all you want. It doesn't bother me in the least.
As for Iraq, one of the reasons why we're there is because the military epicenter of a religion that wants to kill everyone and anyone different from them is in, you guessed it, Iraq. They don't want to talk, they want you dead. Also, don't you think they had time to stash their WMDs? We sure gave them enough time to.
And by the way, dissent all you want. It doesn't bother me in the least.