I agreed with you on Costner. However, I don't agree under 6.0, it would've been much different because the judges always favored Europeans even if undeservedly. And while I am at it, I think under 6.0, skaters like Kostner will be favored more because her skating is actually nice to look at despite everything. Also, I think Mao will do better under 6.0 given the lenient UR calls. Kim will do well, but I think Rochette will do the best since she has almost a full set of triples. Miki wouldn't do so well because she's just jumps but lacks artistry. The CoP is better for her and for Flatt. Mirai will do better under 6.0.
COP --> 6.0
2006 Torino- Fumie bronze
6.0 --> COP
1998 Nagano - No medal for Lu Chen
1994 Lillehammer - Nancy gold
Interesting idea for a thread!
For me, Midori Ito instantly comes to mind. She was SO technically advanced for her time that they just didn't know what to do with her. At the '88 Games, she did every kind of triple (except the axel, which she'd of course be the first one to do later), including a triple-triple combination. Katarina Witt won the gold with an artistically beautiful program, but she landed only two kinds of triples (two triple toes and two triple salchows; she doubled the triple loop). Personally, under ANY system, I thought Midori should've won a medal, especially considering that she did a clean short program as well with the hardest combination (double loop-triple loop) out of the top skaters. (Personally, I would've had the medalists in this order: Manley-Ito-Witt.)
Also, I'm not so sure Lu Chen wouldn't have won the bronze in Nagano. She had problems with some triples, but I seem to recall EVERYONE did, aside from Tara and Michelle. I'm pretty sure Maria Butyrskaiya was fourth, but while she stayed on her feet, just about all of her landings were shaky and would've gotten negative GOEs. And, as we all know, Lu Chen was artistically superb that night and would've gotten great component marks.
And yes, like others have said, there's no way Oksana would've beaten Nancy (or Lu Chen, as a matter of fact) that one year.
That's interesting about Midori Ito at the 88 Olympics... Debbie's LP was a disaster... But weren't figures still part of the equation back then? Maybe Midori Ito was so far behind after figures that she couldn't catch up. In that case, it's not so much 6.0. that held her back as figures. .
I think this is too hard to say because the skaters now have CoP-friendly programs. How many Bielmann's did we see before CoP? Or changes of edge on spins?
The one skater that comes to mind for me would be Elvis Stojko. Despite his spectacular jumps, he would have been crushed in a CoP situation because the spins were weak and basic & transitions were basically non-existent.
That's interesting about Midori Ito at the 88 Olympics... Debbie's LP was a disaster... But weren't figures still part of the equation back then? Maybe Midori Ito was so far behind after figures that she couldn't catch up. In that case, it's not so much 6.0. that held her back as figures. And she did win a silver medal in 92 - even with a fall in her LP. Well deserved. Her LP program after the fall was awesome.
it wasn't all figure. Wasn't she out of the top 5 for the short program alone and fifth for the long program? She should be first in both programs and should medal even with figures factored in.
Ito was 4th in the short program, but still out of the top 5 in the combined standings after short program + figures.
If the short and long programs had been judged exactly as they were but there had been no figures, the Calgary results would have been:
Manley 3 1
Witt 1 2
Ito 4 3
Thomas 2 4
If the mindset of the judges had been different, then the rankings in each program might have been different than they actually were.
And if the rules had been different, the skaters would have prepared differently and planned their programs differently.
Ito was 4th in the short program, but still out of the top 5 in the combined standings after short program + figures.
If the short and long programs had been judged exactly as they were but there had been no figures, the Calgary results would have been:
Manley 3 1
Witt 1 2
Ito 4 3
Thomas 2 4
If the mindset of the judges had been different, then the rankings in each program might have been different than they actually were.
And if the rules had been different, the skaters would have prepared differently and planned their programs differently.
It's a bit strange to put Ito's LP 3rd when she did all triples except for axcel. I wonder if Mao in 2005-6 season did not win had she been judged under 6.0 because despite being a jumping bean her programs were still so girlish compared to Cohen's maturity for example.
Maybe, but then again, Judges loved Witt. Also back then the scoring was so different from now that it's hard to compare. I think that's like pre-6.0 age because figures was still installed, and probably jumps weren't as important as they are now. Jumps started becoming more of a factor in early nineties where two women were trying the double axels and Kristi even felt pressured to try it herself in order to win. But then after Ito retired and Harding got banned, no women tried it for a long time, and it was back to a focus on artistry that was led by Michelle Kwan. However, CoP brought the technical difficuly back to prominence again and so it kind of goes in cycles.
Maybe, but then again, Judges loved Witt. Also back then the scoring was so different from now that it's hard to compare. I think that's like pre-6.0 age because figures was still installed, and probably jumps weren't as important as they are now. Jumps started becoming more of a factor in early nineties where two women were trying the double axels and Kristi even felt pressured to try it herself in order to win. But then after Ito retired and Harding got banned, no women tried it for a long time, and it was back to a focus on artistry that was led by Michelle Kwan. However, CoP brought the technical difficuly back to prominence again and so it kind of goes in cycles.
I wonder how much her leg wrap mattered. As I look at videos, her leg wrap does not bother me at all, even though I have been picky about Nakano's leg wrap.
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