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Is that legal?
yes
Is that legal?
I think mistakes were made in some Russian camps and they have learned from those mistakes, nursing skaters when injured, allowing them to carry more muscle (look at Valieva now). It's no coincidence that when Medvedeva was at her thinnest at test skates in 2020 it's when her back injury got bad enough to more or less put her out of the sport. No way someone with carrying a chronic back injury should have been forced onto the ice. I think Tutberitze would have learned from that (I would like to think so).I didn't see it mentioned here (and if I omitted sth I apologize) but I remember very vividly how Zhenya Medvedeva described enthusiastically her first encounter with a dietician which took place only after she moved to Canada to train with Brian. Only then. While being OSM and 2 time World Champion in training since the nursery age. She also exclaimed it was the first time when she was explained that going vegan/vegetarian would not hurt her health, neither her weight.
She developed a different body then, more focused on strength than thinness, and was very cruelly body shamed by Russian fans for being "fat" and "heavy" They attributed the twists and turns in her career to the change in her weight while in fact all of it was caused by chronic injuries resulting from unhealthy and improper training regimen, including improper eating and weight-related habits, common in her former training camp which they conveniently ignored.
Water intake ban (just rinsing your mouth instead of drinking) leading to problems with urinating was another malpractice which Eteri girls spoke openly about, thinking it completely normal. And from what we know, it was well compliant with still in Beijng.I think mistakes were made in some Russian camps and they have learned from those mistakes, nursing skaters when injured, allowing them to carry more muscle (look at Valieva now). It's no coincidence that when Medvedeva was at her thinnest at test skates in 2020 it's when her back injury got bad enough to more or less put her out of the sport. No way someone with carrying a chronic back injury should have been forced onto the ice. I think Tutberitze would have learned from that (I would like to think so).
I remember her being excited she could eat blueberries and watermelon. How sad.I didn't see it mentioned here (and if I omitted sth I apologize) but I remember very vividly how Zhenya Medvedeva described enthusiastically her first encounter with a dietician which took place only after she moved to Canada to train with Brian. Only then. While being OSM and 2 time World Champion in training since the nursery age. She also exclaimed it was the first time when she was explained that going vegan/vegetarian would not hurt her health, neither her weight.
She developed a different body then, more focused on strength than thinness, and was very cruelly body shamed by Russian fans for being "fat" and "heavy" They attributed the twists and turns in her career to the change in her weight while in fact all of it was caused by chronic injuries resulting from unhealthy and improper training regimen, including improper eating and weight-related habits, common in her former training camp which they conveniently ignored.
Not to mention the use of puberty blockers in some camps to force the issue...
Is that legal?
I think it is prohibited. I was looking for some materials about it:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...wcm/3802ccd9-7e34-40e1-80ad-fa5e81b54888/amp/
- Puberty blockers, officially known as gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists, were originally developed for children with precocious puberty, when puberty hits too soon. In those cases, the drugs are stopped once the child reaches an appropriate age for puberty.
https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/dta.2256
- Gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) and its small peptide synthetic analogues are included in Section S2 of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Prohibited List
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resourc...direct-androgen-doping-gnrh-analog-leuprolide
- Consequently, GnRH and its analogs are also prohibited in sports for their potential to act as doping and/or masking agents.
I'm pretty sure I read about the use and that it's a legal although questionable means. But maybe there are puberty blockers on another base?
that is so awful. i have so much more to say on this but will keep my mouth shut for not derailing the thread's sake.I didn't see it mentioned here (and if I omitted sth I apologize) but I remember very vividly how Zhenya Medvedeva described enthusiastically her first encounter with a dietician which took place only after she moved to Canada to train with Brian. Only then. While being OSM and 2 time World Champion in training since the nursery age. She also exclaimed it was the first time when she was explained that going vegan/vegetarian would not hurt her health, neither her weight.
She developed a different body then, more focused on strength than thinness, and was very cruelly body shamed by Russian fans for being "fat" and "heavy" They attributed the twists and turns in her career to the change in her weight while in fact all of it was caused by chronic injuries resulting from unhealthy and improper training regimen, including improper eating and weight-related habits, common in her former training camp which they conveniently ignored.
I wish I still had a copy I gave away of Isabelle Brasseur's autobiography, where she mentions that she took those blockers. Now I can't remember the medical reason she gave, but it didn't sound right or sit right with me when I read it.Not to mention the use of puberty blockers in some camps to force the issue...
I wish I still had a copy I gave away of Isabelle Brasseur's autobiography, where she mentions that she took those blockers. Now I can't remember the medical reason she gave, but it didn't sound right or sit right with me when I read it.
I do remember it was when she was younger, before she was diagnosed with heart problems, so it was probably the latter reason, only explained so vaguely it made it sound as if she was encouraged to take puberty blockers by her parents and coach just to avoid changes to her skating. I can understand her not wanting to go into detail at that time, I just wish the book had been better edited to make it clear it wasn't a grey-area case that, the way it was written, sounded uncomfortably like drug-cheating. Knowing more about her now, I'm amazed she was able to skate as long and as well as she did with all those health problems! Wow!Isabelle has been vocal about heart health and is taking beta blockers: (I did not know she almost lost Gabriella during childbirth. )
Former Olympic figure skater Isabelle Brasseur talks heart health in Toronto
Brasseur — who suffers from a congenital heart disease that nearly killed her — wants other women to take the health of their hearts more seriously.www.thestar.com
Gender dysphoria and "precocious puberty" (Developing sexual characteristics at age 8 or younger) are medically indicated reasons for puberty blockers.
I wish I still had a copy I gave away of Isabelle Brasseur's autobiography, where she mentions that she took those blockers. Now I can't remember the medical reason she gave, but it didn't sound right or sit right with me when I read it.
And I should have made it clearer that Isabelle, in her book, was indeed talking about puberty-delaying medication. Later in the book she discusses her episodes of sudden fainting and the tests, medications, etc for that, but the earlier health problem wasn't made clear (the book being written and published before the days when celebrities gave out every little detail of their private lives) and it came off sounding odd. Now I can see what the problem probably was.One thing I have to explain. Puberty blockers are not beta blockers, that is different medication.
Thank you @el henry for the article.
One, less talked eating disorder is orthorexia. It may also lead to anorexia. I read that fitness athletes are sometimes quite accurate what they eat. I don't remember was it an athlete or someone else, who told that it came so far that she weighed even lettuce leaves to make sure she does eat exactly what needed, not less or not more. I am telling this, because an athlete can look healthy to us, but orthorexia is much that healthy eating controls life so much, that a piece of cake at somebody's birthday party may be in thoughts for a long time, because it is not healthy. I am not targeting this to any special skater or athlete, but hope this is also gets some attention. It is very much mental. There is nothing bad to eat healthy but if it starts to control the whole life, the affect is not good. And after if eating a piece of cake at somebody's birthday gives bad conscience, then a person may start to think I must make it to myself by eating something less, this thing is what may be the beginning of anorexia.