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Nmsis

On the Ice
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Feb 19, 2006
Sorry not to be a nice looser but
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH:mad: :mad: :mad:
I'm French and I just want to shout.
What the hell is that podium !!!!

Tonight, there were two magnificent programs: the bulgarians' and for the french'. The americans and the russians were nice and catchy but.... . I missed the canadians who have a great free dance and could have shown us another thrilling program (I wish to see them at the Worlds, Marie-france, on t'aime, remets-toi vite). The french are a very little bit rewarded ... but not enough to be a threat (but it's a usual pattern). And the bulgarians... they were... I just want to congratulate them, they were great . :clap:

This pre-planed podium is just completly unfair since the french and the bulgarians were unfairly judged during the whole competition. Our team being 7th of the compulsory !!! Their technical note so low while all the specialists are saying they have the best technique !!! They were perfect along with the canadians and they got 7th. That's completly absurd ! And today their technical score is really high and the components are down ! Have they improve their skating technique that much in 3 days !:scratch:

The compulsories were a complete joke. If you only consider the addition of the free and the original dance (without the compulsories), the result is the same than the final one with N/K leading by far, B/A and G/G very close but in the same hierarchy and the french a little behind. What's the point to compete if the pattern is already set and if some teams are put aside ?

So the russians, the americans and the ISU can be happy. The russians got the gold, the americans got a nice medal. And ISU will have greatly sell ice dance to the US.... And Nathalia Linitchuk has skaters on the podium (but that's another problem, russian influence still). And there will be no scandal as everyone (among the powerfull skating nations) is happy. No big american media is going to look for any scandal. And the french medias don't give a damn about figure skating. Only the specialists are going to say that there is a problem but who is going to listen to them ? And if the audience is able to guess that there actually is a problem (Del/Schoen marks were booed), you really have to know ice dance and GOP to really to see the gap between the marks and what you saw on the ice.

I am not claiming that Del/Schoen deserved the gold or anything. But sincirely, they definitly should have been on the podium. The first thing Candéloro said when he heard the results was: "C'est dégueulasse !!!" Something between "that's unfair" and "that's total crap" ! The same was in every mouth after the compulsories. I think we are going to call back Mr Gailhaguet. It seems we need him to plot to get the medals we deserve. (I just can't stand the guy)

Sorry, I'm in a very very bad mood, tonight. I have been watching the dance competition since 1982 and it's the first time I get so upset. I love Ice dance but this podium and this competition are making me reconsider that. This competition was a complete mess. So bravo to N/K, B/A and G/G for beeing olympic medalists but hooray for Del/Schoen, Den/Sta ... and D/L for making me love ice dance despite the crap. :rock:

It was just a bad day. Forgive me to being in such a bad mood. :cry: Feel free to moderate if needed.
 

mzheng

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 16, 2005
Joesitz said:
Results are not surprising.

Joe
Same as last worlds. :chorus:

So far we have.

men's repeat Mosco worlds.
dance repeat Mosco worlds.

Let's see what happens in lady. I hope there is some shake ups.
 

Kirkbiggestfan

Rinkside
Joined
Jan 31, 2006
Zazoui says that it was disgusting to put Delschoe in 7th place after the compulsuries and that they should have been in 1st or second!

Poor DelSchoes...they have been severely judged all their career. I hope they find the strenght to stay another 4 years and delight us with those innovative and spectacular free dances!
 

boo69

Rinkside
Joined
Aug 6, 2003
EvanLysacekFan said:
Hopefully this is a good indicator that Tanith and Ben will get gold in 2010. And from not being able to go to the Olympics to a silver medal... that's something I'm sure they'll love.

I don't think they will be held up like the Russians for past couple of decades. ISU isn't ready for the US to dominate ice dance like the Russians for the next couple of Olympics. I hope they will not be given the benefit of the doubt because of their reputation, like still being in first place or even in the medal standings after a fall. I see another up and coming Russian team in the making (Dom/Shab). Perhaps they and B/A will be fighting for the gold in the next Olympics. Or who knows if B/A will remain in medal contention for the next 4 years. Two years ago, we thought it would be Denk/Stav and N/K battling for gold. Now Denk/Stav dropped in standings.

Sigh... I wished the FD placements were the same as the podium placements...
 
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kyla2

Final Flight
Joined
Jan 24, 2004
Imo

The judges got it exactly right. The French team did not even deserve third, never mind the silver or gold. The Russians were superior in every respect and their program was great. Ben and Tanith skated very well and their program was also wonderful. They deserved second place. It had nothing to do with politics in my opinion. I am pretty happy with the judging so far with the exception of Matt Savoie and Evan who I think deserved somewhat better scores. But I had no problems with the men's podium or the pairs podium. The judges got it right.

As for the ladies tomorrow and Thursday, let's see what happens. If Irina outskates everyone like she has all year, well she will win the gold. If Sasha rises to the occasion and skates clean and competitive programs, well she will probably win. Ditto Shizuka and to a lesser degree Fumie, who usually has less technical difficulty (even though I absolutely love her and she is one of my favorites). I do think the judges will get it right. I don't think the decision will be a hard one either. I bet it will be decisive, just like the men's competition (even though I agree that Plushy's program was the not great, he hit the elements, which is all that counts in CoP). At lest Irina will make an attempt at artistry if history is any indication.
 
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ladysarahchatto

On the Ice
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Jan 18, 2006
Nmsis said:
Sorry not to be a nice looser but
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH:mad: :mad: :mad:
I'm French and I just want to shout.
What the hell is that podium !!!!

Tonight, there were two magnificent programs: the bulgarians' and for the french'. The americans and the russians were nice and catchy but.... . I missed the canadians who have a great free dance and could have shown us another thrilling program (I wish to see them at the Worlds, Marie-france, on t'aime, remets-toi vite). The french are a very little bit rewarded ... but not enough to be a threat (but it's a usual pattern). And the bulgarians... they were... I just want to congratulate them, they were great . :clap:

This pre-planed podium is just completly unfair since the french and the bulgarians were unfairly judged during the whole competition. Our team being 7th of the compulsory !!! Their technical note so low while all the specialists are saying they have the best technique !!! They were perfect along with the canadians and they got 7th. That's completly absurd ! And today their technical score is really high and the components are down ! Have they improve their skating technique that much in 3 days !:scratch:

The compulsories were a complete joke. If you only consider the addition of the free and the original dance (without the compulsories), the result is the same than the final one with N/K leading by far, B/A and G/G very close but in the same hierarchy and the french a little behind. What's the point to compete if the pattern is already set and if some teams are put aside ?

So the russians, the americans and the ISU can be happy. The russians got the gold, the americans got a nice medal. And ISU will have greatly sell ice dance to the US.... And Nathalia Linitchuk has skaters on the podium (but that's another problem, russian influence still). And there will be no scandal as everyone (among the powerfull skating nations) is happy. No big american media is going to look for any scandal. And the french medias don't give a damn about figure skating. Only the specialists are going to say that there is a problem but who is going to listen to them ? And if the audience is able to guess that there actually is a problem (Del/Schoen marks were booed), you really have to know ice dance and GOP to really to see the gap between the marks and what you saw on the ice.

I am not claiming that Del/Schoen deserved the gold or anything. But sincirely, they definitly should have been on the podium. The first thing Candéloro said when he heard the results was: "C'est dégueulasse !!!" Something between "that's unfair" and "that's total crap" ! The same was in every mouth after the compulsories. I think we are going to call back Mr Gailhaguet. It seems we need him to plot to get the medals we deserve. (I just can't stand the guy)

Sorry, I'm in a very very bad mood, tonight. I have been watching the dance competition since 1982 and it's the first time I get so upset. I love Ice dance but this podium and this competition are making me reconsider that. This competition was a complete mess. So bravo to N/K, B/A and G/G for beeing olympic medalists but hooray for Del/Schoen, Den/Sta ... and D/L for making me love ice dance despite the crap. :rock:

It was just a bad day. Forgive me to being in such a bad mood. :cry: Feel free to moderate if needed.

The Americans hadn't gotten 'a nice medal' of any color in over 30 years. I think B & A deserved their silver. In fact, I don't have a problem with any of the placements at all.
 

EvanLysacekFan

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Joined
Feb 14, 2006
VINLUVSKWAN said:
Benjamin Agosto/Tanith Belbin: "Flamenco"
loud cheers amid first lift (circular)
castanets/handclap music: razor-sharp twizzles, footwork
switches to guitar+castanets...cont'd cheers
slower section into violin music
faster tempo music (guitar + handclaps)
music swells...louder cheers
DONE!!!
Lovely unison, fab lines, great speed, extension not as fully extended as Russians, but diff. is slight
No major mistakes, no falls.
Technically fabulous, per Eurosport commentators, who feel their emotional content may have been lacking.
Tanith slightly wobbed (one foot down) during twizzles.
TES=
PCS=47.93
Third in FD, second overall behind N&K
That's it: probable silver, less likely bronze for B&A.

I'm beginning to think the Eurosport commentators are anti-non-Europeans, because their emotional content was FAR from lacking.
 

EvanLysacekFan

On the Ice
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Feb 14, 2006
Frau Muller said:
p.s. Brits say that "Americans look pretty upset - not what they wanted."

They shouldn't be....silver is glorious! How far America has come in dance, injust the last 4-5 years!!!! And guess who is 'set' to dominate between now & the next Olympics??? I'd be thrilled, if I were Tanith & Ben!!!!!Now USA being called for silver...unable to smile..."must manufacture a smile now...." says Simon. C'mon! Smile - Tanith & Ben!!! You are great!!!! She's only 21..

Again not true, they were all smiles after they skated.
 

Justafan

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 18, 2005
ladysarahchatto said:
The Americans hadn't gotten 'a nice medal' of any color in over 30 years. I think B & A deserved their silver. In fact, I don't have a problem with any of the placements at all.


Same here. The placements are pretty much what they have been throughout the season during the grand prix and other events. The people at the top of the podium are there because they skated the best..pure and simple. It's one thing to have awesome lifts, as the French and others do..but the program has to be artistic to be whole. It's one thing to have a theme...it's another thing to bring the theme to life and energize the audience and judges. I personally think the Bulgarians should have gotten bronze, but since I am also a G/G fan (other than her costume), can't say I am disappointed.
 

geoskate

On the Ice
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Jan 22, 2005
I think we are going to call back Mr Gailhaguet. It seems we need him to plot to get the medals we deserve. (I just can't stand the guy)

I wouldn't give up so quickly if I were you. I think that D/S will eventually receive the rewards that they deserve, because they are such good skaters.

Tracy Wilson and Paul Martini have both said or at least implied that they consider Schoenfelder to be one of the best male ice dancers in the world, if not the best. (Tracy said this on Canadian TV, and probably hasn't mentioned that while she has been commenting on American TV). I agree with them. Isobel is not yet quite at his level, but will get there. Once she does, I don't think that it will be possible to keep them off the podium.

Nmsis, I certainly agree with your comments regarding the programs. I found that in general the programs done by the teams that did not make the podium were more interesting than the top three.
 

clairecloutier

Final Flight
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Aug 27, 2003
I thought the results were just right.

Navka/Kostomarov skated brilliantly. I really enjoyed their program very much. In my mind, they are worthy champions.

Tanith & Ben were almost as good. This was definitely their best long program of the season. I thought they really captured the spirit and phrasing of the music and skated very well. Yes, Tanith did have those two small mistakes, but otherwise the program was just great. In my mind, they definitely deserved the silver. I felt they were undermarked in the long, especially in the PCS.

It was close for the bronze, but I'm not disappointed the Ukrainians got it. I find their positions, interpretation, and overall presentation superior to the French. Although I like the French a lot, I don't care for their long program this year. Plus, I realized while watching tonight that, although the French have interesting choreography, their body line isn't equal to some of the other top teams. Delobel doesn't have the beautiful posture and arch through her back that Navka and Grushina have. And their leg lines during unison movements aren't nearly as good as the other top three teams. They do, though, have more speed than the Ukrainians. It was very close for the bronze, and it could have gone either way, but I'm satisfied with the result.
 
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IJsmeis

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Nmsis said:
Tonight, there were two magnificent programs: the bulgarians' and for the french'. The americans and the russians were nice and catchy but.... .
The french are a very little bit rewarded ... but not enough to be a threat (but it's a usual pattern). And the bulgarians... they were... I just want to congratulate them, they were great . :clap:
Agree!:yes:
I think these teams are technically supreme, their dances are innovating and they make icedancing a serious part/item of the Olympics. It's about sports in the first place here, and so why isn't that rewarded in performances like the Bulgarians and the French? (I hope my English is good enough to be understood:.... :unsure: )
Even someone like me, who is not in ice-dancing at all - I am just an admirer and enjoyer - can see the madness of that podium :scratch:

Also: that pity performance of the Italians: the only show they had was the drama of their own complacency - and the jury that bought it! :boohoo:
 

Serena

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The results were ridiculous, but they were exactly what I expected. I knew that Denkova/Staviyski weren't going to make the podium, and while I snorted at their placement, I let it go. I prepared myself for Delobel/Schoenfelder to get robbed blind. I told myself that they could do whatever they wanted, they weren't going to make the podium. Then I saw their results, and I yelled at the TV anyway. I am beyond disgusted. They should have won, never mind medaling. Both the French and Bulgarians were amazing- N/K, B/A, and G/G weren't as good. N/K had a great start, but they lost it towards the end. B/A made mistakes, and if you think Isabelle's posture isn't up to par, well what about Tanith's? Her posture isn't all that great either. I love G/G, but they were too slow. Delobel/Schoenfelder were robbed.
 

JonnyCoop

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Dec 28, 2003
Yeah, the scoring system may change, but THEY GOT IT WRONG AGAIN.

I'm going to preface all of this with a huge IMHO:

Denkova/Staviysky should have won the free dance, with Belbin/Agosto 2nd and Navka/Kostamorov 3rd. I liked N/K's free dance, and there was some great stuff in it, but taking all factors into consideration, D/S were WAY better, and B/A were better, too. (Actually, I'd have given 1st in FD to B/A had it not been for those twizzle and footwork mishaps). At the very least, if THAT didn't happen, then Deloebel/Schoenfelder should have edged Grushina/Goncharov for the bronze.

Drobiazko/Vanagas have GOT to be really annoyed..... I was hoping for a podium spot for them, but quite frankly, their free dance didn't really do a lot for me. Tho I have to make one observation: THOSE TWO BOTH LOOK FABULOUS!! :laugh:

regarding F-P/Margaglio: First of all, even by ice dancing standards, the costumes they wore tonight and in the OD were two (four?) of the most HIDEOUS things I have ever seen. (And this is coming from someone who's watched dance for 23 years now) [Gregory & Petukhov I think had the nicest ones]. Secondly, I am amazed they skated as well as they did given Signora Seething Resentment's Big Time Snit, tho Margaglio lumbered about even more than usual, which is understandable given all the hell she'd put him through since the OD. I mean, it is ONE THING to pull The Everlasting Glare like she did last night, but to carry it through until the start of their free dance????? Absolutely unprofessional, rude, unsportsmanlike, childish..... the list goes on. I have little patience for the Divas of Sport, and when I say Diva, I am not talking the pseudo-divas like a Sasha Cohen, I am talking Diva as in Diva = rhymes with itch, big time, in stereo, times 10. As in Anna Kournikova, Svetlana Khorkina, Jeannie Longo, and now I can add Barbie to my list. LOVED Dick Button's observation about, what is her daughter going to think in 20 years when she sees a tape of this and sees her mother acting like Queen ***** of the Universe on the biggest night of her life?? That being said, also, strangely enough, a part of me also found it a bit refreshing. You see so many errors in pairs and dance where you just KNOW that one of them wants to slap the crap out of the other for making it, but they just smile through it. At least Barbie's reaction was an honest one. COMPLETELY OVERDONE AND OVER THE TOP 15 TIMES OVER -- but honest.

re. Chait/Sakhnovsky: I don't know WHAT they were thinking. I mean, even if you had the overall ability to even try to skate to that (which I don't think they do anyway; I like them but they are more than a bit limited), you shouldn't try it. And it has to less to do with it being "sacred" Ice Dance music than the fact that the current rules in ice dancing are so limited, technical, and confining that you can only do so much with it anyway. T & D had a lot more freedom with this music than C & S did; perhaps if C & S had the same amount of freedom, this would have made a much better free dance. However -- as I said after Michelle did it at Nats -- last season?? -- if the combination of Christopher Dean choreography and Michelle Kwan skating can't do anything better with "Bolero" than what Michelle did with it, then the music needs to be retired. It is way too tricky and sophisticated a piece of music to just go out there and use for a routine where several other pieces of music would have worked just as well if not better, as in the case with C & S.

re. Grushina/Goncharov: Much as I like Middle Eastern motifs and music in figure skating, I had a problem with this, mainly because I thought the music was too repititious a piece to be skated to for 4 minutes. Michelle had the right idea using it for a short program, because after 2:20; it's still an interesting piece. After about 2:45, it starts to kind of put you to sleep. Which was the problem I had with this dance, which started out great but I couldn't tell you a thing about the last minute and a half of it.

re. the Americans: Silverstein/O'Meara. Fabulous, very classy elegant dance, and I forgot just how good Jamie was. Gregory/Petukhov get better and better every season and tho I really liked their FD, I have a problem with FD's (or any program for that matter) with WAY too many music cuts. G/P seemed to have found a different piece of music for every sequence that they did, and that got on my nerves, tho I will reiterate that I liked what they did with it. However, as far as I'm concerned, Anissina/Peizerat own the Prokofiev "Romeo & Juliet" and no one else should even bother with it. Was thrilled of course with B/A's silver (never thought I'd see the day the Stars and Stripes would be risen during an Oly Ice Dance medal ceremony, since I was too young to see the '76 bronze), and I liked the dance a lot, but what's with those stripes in Tanith's hair? The top of her head looked like an oversized, over-ripe gooseberry.

re. Deloebel/Schoenfelder: Should have gotten the bronze if D/S couldn't be on the podium. Man, that "lying on the ice while skating very fast" sequence was incredible. I always knew (based on a photo I saw a few years ago) that you could probably grate cheese on Isabelle Deloebel's abs, apparently you can off Oliver Schoenfelder's as well. The strength and control it takes to do that that well -- INCREDIBLE.

That's all for now. (Some of you may feel it's more than enough):laugh: More later, in all likelihood.
 

Jaana

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In my opinion Denkova & Staviski had the best freedance performance and Belbin & Agosto the second best. About Navka & Kostomarov I would say that they have an excellent technic, but otherwise the whole performance left me totally cold. It lacked feeling.

I also enjoyed Kerr & Kerr and Delobel & Schoenfelder very much.
 
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