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We all know that jumps should have an entry; a rotation; a posture; a landing. Eash one of these 4 parts I mentioned should be judged.
(I'm not getting into the number of rotations to keep the explanation simple.) I've seen many MIFs such as spread eagles into say, an axel, but few if any, that actually flowed from the spread eage into the axel. The skaters tend to give a flow pause out of the spread eagle so as to set up the entry to the axel. Well, for me, that skater could just as well have done a carefully prepared entry into the axel because the spread eagle appeared to me a completely different skating move, i.e., the spread eagle and the axel were not really connected.
As for the correct rotations of the jump, that is not always clear, and we just have to let the Technical Assistant call these underrotated jumps as he sees it. It is a serious problem with the many posts I read on which the TV viewer sees underrotation and the Tech Asst does not call it. This disagreement can cause a lot of cries of 'cheating' or 'ineptness'.
The posture of the skater on entry, air turns, and landing of course vary with the execution of a jump. I think it is pretty clear on the posture of a skater while entering a jump, and his landing of the jump. Flow in both instances is important and should be considered in the GOE scores. However, the posture in the air turns can vary with skaters. I've seen perpendicular to the ice and various degrees of leaning. Landings were made in all cases but is there a rule on air posture in a jump?
The landing of jumps as we have seen can vary with a fall, a fall out, a tight circular move, a hand down, etc., etc. the question is how serious are these in terms of judging a jump?
Boy, did I carry on with this. Does the Cop award jumps adequately? From what I wrote above, I doubt it. An example: A triple lutz has just been executed by skater A and later by skater B; the entry of A, was done in a straightforward long flow manner (telegraph, if you will); the air turns were correct, the posture in the air was verticle; the landing had excellent outflow. Skater B entry was from footwork; the air turns were correct, the posture in the air was leaning away from the verticle, the landing had a tight circular move with little flow.
Should the skaters in the example have different GOEs?
Joe
(I'm not getting into the number of rotations to keep the explanation simple.) I've seen many MIFs such as spread eagles into say, an axel, but few if any, that actually flowed from the spread eage into the axel. The skaters tend to give a flow pause out of the spread eagle so as to set up the entry to the axel. Well, for me, that skater could just as well have done a carefully prepared entry into the axel because the spread eagle appeared to me a completely different skating move, i.e., the spread eagle and the axel were not really connected.
As for the correct rotations of the jump, that is not always clear, and we just have to let the Technical Assistant call these underrotated jumps as he sees it. It is a serious problem with the many posts I read on which the TV viewer sees underrotation and the Tech Asst does not call it. This disagreement can cause a lot of cries of 'cheating' or 'ineptness'.
The posture of the skater on entry, air turns, and landing of course vary with the execution of a jump. I think it is pretty clear on the posture of a skater while entering a jump, and his landing of the jump. Flow in both instances is important and should be considered in the GOE scores. However, the posture in the air turns can vary with skaters. I've seen perpendicular to the ice and various degrees of leaning. Landings were made in all cases but is there a rule on air posture in a jump?
The landing of jumps as we have seen can vary with a fall, a fall out, a tight circular move, a hand down, etc., etc. the question is how serious are these in terms of judging a jump?
Boy, did I carry on with this. Does the Cop award jumps adequately? From what I wrote above, I doubt it. An example: A triple lutz has just been executed by skater A and later by skater B; the entry of A, was done in a straightforward long flow manner (telegraph, if you will); the air turns were correct, the posture in the air was verticle; the landing had excellent outflow. Skater B entry was from footwork; the air turns were correct, the posture in the air was leaning away from the verticle, the landing had a tight circular move with little flow.
Should the skaters in the example have different GOEs?
Joe
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