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How Do Judges Become Judges?
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Do they get paid? 
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Thanks Karne.
I don't think I'll ever become one tbh. I just hope I can learn something more about this sport which I love.
Do they get paid?
I don't know what happens when you become a judge. I think they pay you only the DSA. All I know for now is that I have to pay for the course. Not for the course but the hotel, food etc. I'm hoping it will be organised in Milan.
This is going to be very helpful for me, although the first test it's just identifying them. Thank you a lot. :thumbsup:
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In the US I don't know about payment at the lower levels but at the upper, upper levels, judges get per diem only. The time is all volunteer hours.
And in the US, I know that dance is separate from pairs/single. I know that if you are qualified to judge pairs, you can judge singles. Not sure about the other way.
And in the US, I know that dance is separate from pairs/single. I know that if you are qualified to judge pairs, you can judge singles. Not sure about the other way.
Reimbursement for expenses only, at all levels.
Trial judges have to pay their own expenses.
The test and competition judging appointments are for singles and pairs.
There are very few pair tests and pair competitions, which makes it hard for trial judges to find opportunities to trial pairs. But just in case a pair signs up for a test or a local competition, all official judges are expected to know how to judge them.
At sectionals and Nationals and important nonqual competitions like Skate Detroit, the judges assigned to the pairs competitions will probably be chosen for their experience judging and/or skating pairs themselves in the past.
For technical specialists, pairs is a separate appointment.
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Which makes me thinks it doesn't make much sense, does it? I think judging pairs and ID is more difficult han singles. Apart from the jumps, which are less, and spins which are different in Pairs, you also have throws and lifts in Pairs. In ID you have complicated step seq., twizzles, lifts and pattern dance.
I don't think it's correct to presume that since you know singles you know Pairs as well, let alone ID. If I had to choose I would love to be specialised in Pairs and ID, in particular. These are my first love disciplines anyway.
All pair skaters need to learn singles skating skills, and then some.
And all pair judges would need to have the knowledge to judge singles.
There would never be a need for judges who judge only pairs.
But it could be that a pair judging appointment would be a promotion or specialization available to judges who had already proven themselves as singles judges, more quickly for those who had been pair skaters themselves.
Different federations might have different needs for pair judges depending whether they have a history of pairs training and pair competitions at lower levels, or just the occasional senior team who train abroad. Also how spread out they are -- it wouldn't be very convenient in the US, for example, if all the pair judges lived on one coast and a new team wanted to test 3,000 miles away.
And all pair judges would need to have the knowledge to judge singles.
There would never be a need for judges who judge only pairs.
But it could be that a pair judging appointment would be a promotion or specialization available to judges who had already proven themselves as singles judges, more quickly for those who had been pair skaters themselves.
Different federations might have different needs for pair judges depending whether they have a history of pairs training and pair competitions at lower levels, or just the occasional senior team who train abroad. Also how spread out they are -- it wouldn't be very convenient in the US, for example, if all the pair judges lived on one coast and a new team wanted to test 3,000 miles away.
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That's what I meant. That you need to have some kind of specialisation in Pairs, in order to become a Pair judge.
By the way, what do you think it mean when they say that for the test you have to idetify spins? The type of spins or the levels?:think:
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Probably just the type of spins -- the basic positions and which variations are variations of which basic position. They might want you to know the correct IJS codes -- e.g., CCoSp vs. CoSp vs. FCCoSp, not just "combination spin."
For pair spins it's easy: PSp if they don't change feet, PCoSp if they do.
Judges aren't responsible for knowing the various features, but it's probably a good idea to be familiar with them even if you don't memorize them. And those might change this summer or probably next summer anyway.
I'd be very surprised if you'd be expected to know about the p2 and p3 or V1 and V2 codes added to spins since this past year. That's purely the tech panel's responsibility.
Does Italy have a testing system that they need judges for? Do they use IJS at all levels or only higher levels?
For pair spins it's easy: PSp if they don't change feet, PCoSp if they do.
Judges aren't responsible for knowing the various features, but it's probably a good idea to be familiar with them even if you don't memorize them. And those might change this summer or probably next summer anyway.
I'd be very surprised if you'd be expected to know about the p2 and p3 or V1 and V2 codes added to spins since this past year. That's purely the tech panel's responsibility.
Does Italy have a testing system that they need judges for? Do they use IJS at all levels or only higher levels?
Judges don't need to determine the levels. That's the tech panel's job.
They do need to recognize whether a spin meets the requirements for the types of elements required/allowed in that type of program -- including flying entry, change of foot, total number of revolutions in position, etc.
For 6.0 judging, where there are no tech panels determining level (e.g., tests and below-juvenile competitions in the US), judges should also be able to recognize difficulty and reward it when applicable.
I don't think Alba is training to be a technical specialist, and I don't know whether she would be called on to judge 6.0 events in Italy.
They do need to recognize whether a spin meets the requirements for the types of elements required/allowed in that type of program -- including flying entry, change of foot, total number of revolutions in position, etc.
For 6.0 judging, where there are no tech panels determining level (e.g., tests and below-juvenile competitions in the US), judges should also be able to recognize difficulty and reward it when applicable.
I don't think Alba is training to be a technical specialist, and I don't know whether she would be called on to judge 6.0 events in Italy.
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That's true. I was wondering though what they might ask in the admission test. In the letter they say that: although the elements are identified by the tech panel, judges are expected to recognize the elements. So, my question is will they ask us to recognise only types of spins (camel, sit position, biellmann etc.) or levels also? I, suppose the first and I do hope so. Levels are a bit tricky and I don't have much time to study and remember them all. My sister is coming to visit me from USA. :hopelessness:
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So, we've received an e-mail from the FED, regarding the test.
We don't have to study the levels. We will be asked to identify elements of single and pairs skating.
1. Name of the jumps, and specify whether is a single, double, triple jump etc.
2. Identify the spins, and specify: combination spin, sit spin, upright spin, change of foot etc.
3. Step sequence (still have no idea here what are we suppose to identify. Only that he/she is doing a step sequence?).
4. Lifts
5. Throws etc.
We'll be shown 2 SP and 2 LP from the singles. 1 SP and 1 LP from the Pairs.
We have to write down all the elements in italian, english, or abbreviation[FONT="][/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]s, [/FONT]following the order of the execution in the programs that we'll watch. The candidate which successfully has identified 80% of the elements will be admitted to follow the course.
After the course the candidates will have to complete 2 exames. First, a theoritical exam (written) followed by a practical exam as well. You have to pass the written exam in order to do the practical. If we pass all this, then, we have to do a training period which consist in partecipating in 2 regional competitions 2015/2016, alongside the judges. After this the candidate will be registered with the FED and qualified as a regional judge.
We don't have to study the levels. We will be asked to identify elements of single and pairs skating.
1. Name of the jumps, and specify whether is a single, double, triple jump etc.
2. Identify the spins, and specify: combination spin, sit spin, upright spin, change of foot etc.
3. Step sequence (still have no idea here what are we suppose to identify. Only that he/she is doing a step sequence?).
4. Lifts
5. Throws etc.
We'll be shown 2 SP and 2 LP from the singles. 1 SP and 1 LP from the Pairs.
We have to write down all the elements in italian, english, or abbreviation[FONT="][/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]s, [/FONT]following the order of the execution in the programs that we'll watch. The candidate which successfully has identified 80% of the elements will be admitted to follow the course.
After the course the candidates will have to complete 2 exames. First, a theoritical exam (written) followed by a practical exam as well. You have to pass the written exam in order to do the practical. If we pass all this, then, we have to do a training period which consist in partecipating in 2 regional competitions 2015/2016, alongside the judges. After this the candidate will be registered with the FED and qualified as a regional judge.
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