I thought the video would be useful but it turned out selective and biased.
How Sotnikova beat Kim - Move by Move
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I thought the video would be useful but it turned out selective and biased.
Neat pictures, but it doesn't explain the subjective inflation in Sotnikova's GOEs, nor her flutz, nor her under rotated toe loop. The article also completely ignores PCS, which is equally weighted to technical. So I don't really see how that article explains anything.
*Just to be clear, it isn't just Sotnikova's PCS that skyrocketed out of the blue, it is her GOEs/execution. The judges gave her GOEs like they were using the 6.0 system. They did not scrutinize her jumping form and rotations, they awarded her for "skating clean"---ie not falling.
*Just to be clear, it isn't just Sotnikova's PCS that skyrocketed out of the blue, it is her GOEs/execution. The judges gave her GOEs like they were using the 6.0 system. They did not scrutinize her jumping form and rotations, they awarded her for "skating clean"---ie not falling.
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I think you come off as a typical Yuna fan - blinded by bias, and unable to see any fault in her.
Although I believe Yuna deserved to win, her skate was not one of her best. Although you carry on at some length about how "textbook" her jumping is, all of her jumps were not perfect in the free skate (of course, you do not mention that - and did not include any .gifs that indicated a mistake on her part). Her programs also seemed quite flat. Her spins did not have great speed. Unfortunately, your blog is so one-sided it's hard to take it seriously.
I liked the part at the end where you stated that Asians were more "careful and reserved about the things they do and say..." in light of all the disgusting hate messages that Asians have been writing on Adelina's instagram. It's really difficult to have any respect for fans that behave that way. How ironic is that Yuna's screaming, profane fans lack the grace and humility they praise her for having.
Thank you very much for the real reason why Adelina did not win with technicality or whatever anyone wants to give her. The article and analysis is exactly what I thought and exactly what I will show others who are interested.
Dear lord. Choreography, transitions, interpretation, presentation, skating skills are all official criteria of the ISU. Although you could argue the first two on a technical basis for Adelina, she pretty much completely lacked the later 3 criteria, and got a better score than Carolina Kostner. That said, reducing this conversation to components vs technical is false in and of itself.
TES is not the same as the final score. The entire point of GOE and the ISU system is to reward more difficult jumps, and that Yuna is the best female jumper in history. But you should at least acknowledge reality. You can Google the criteria judges are supposed to use for the component score, and see that it is equally to the technical in weight.
Adelina had almost a four point base value on Yu-na. And your blog? Has clips of Yu-na doing a double axel/3toe and a triple loop. Guess what Yu-na didn't do those jumps in her free skate. That was what cost her.
It doesn't matter what Yu-na did four/five years ago. In her free skate in Sochi, Yu-na did not do a triple loop or a double axel/3toe. Sotnikova did. And its primarily why-Sotnikova WON.
Exactly. So try explain the SP scores between Yuna and Adelina with that in mind first. Then let's move on to the FS.
People try to compare Yuna against Yuna. They say her jumps were not as good as her usual jumps.. so what? All she needed was to top Adelina. She need not break any new ground.
People try to compare Yuna against Yuna. They say her jumps were not as good as her usual jumps.. so what? All she needed was to top Adelina. She need not break any new ground.
Flutz, under rotated toe loop. You can not say that Sotnikova won because she tallied up points, exploiting the ISU system, and then say that she won because despite her execution her she had a higher TES. The GOE score is there for a reason. Without it Carolina Kostner wouldn't have even been at this Olympics.
@usethis Yuna had one of the best step sequences I've ever seen---like ever. It was completely evocative, flowing, and complex.
@usethis Yuna had one of the best step sequences I've ever seen---like ever. It was completely evocative, flowing, and complex.
As I mentioned many times, step sequence is particularly egregious. Tech panel gamed the system and got away with the element that are least obvious to general public and even to some experts.
How the heck do they give lvl 4 to Adelina, who has always received lvl 3? (sans Cup of Russia, lol) She is the only one who received lvl 4 in SP.
In FS, once picture got clearer, the top 4 ladies received lvl 4 except Yuna who received lvl 3 yet again. Mind you, Yuna has received lvl 4 her steps throughout last season and this season.
How the heck do they give lvl 4 to Adelina, who has always received lvl 3? (sans Cup of Russia, lol) She is the only one who received lvl 4 in SP.
In FS, once picture got clearer, the top 4 ladies received lvl 4 except Yuna who received lvl 3 yet again. Mind you, Yuna has received lvl 4 her steps throughout last season and this season.
you can't just look at the free skate - you need to also consider the short program
The had a one point base value difference in the short. Guess what it wasn't the only time this year that Sotnikova has gotten all level fours in her short program.
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How I wish when you had people on ignore there was a way for their quotes when other reply to them to be made invisible too. I guess there is now way to avoid certain rubbish though.
If you combine the short and the long Sotnikova's TES was only 1 point ahead of Yuna's. How should Yuna have not gotten level 4s on her footwork?
Yu na herself admitted that she made a mistake in her footwork that cost her level. Do you want me to post a link? So when she herself admits this, why can't you accept that it may very well be true.:scowl: She's also missed some levels on spins all season long.
She said that for THE SHORT. There was no problem in free. Not even you can say she should've received Lv3 in the free. Seriously? We've had people counting the turns.
That was in her short program. What about her long? No one is arguing that her spins should receive level 4s.
@Del
She admitted to making a slight mistake on footwork, and the judges gave her only level 3 (out of 4) on it, and on her layback spin. Again, she said, it was anxiety.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/sports&id=9438851
@Del
She admitted to making a slight mistake on footwork, and the judges gave her only level 3 (out of 4) on it, and on her layback spin. Again, she said, it was anxiety.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/sports&id=9438851
Yeah, post a link. Are you also saying Sot's program was perfect?
Just read the article.
I'd say it's a good report - unbiased - but a bad article because it doesn't answer the very question: HOW did Sotnikova beat Yuna Kim if her artistry was a different class for the eye yet gave her only 0.09 point preference in the protocol?
This still remains unexplained what is logical because it's technical specialist who talks. Score is given by BOTH technical specialists and judges so they both should be inteviewed to give readers the whole picture.
Sorry if you have discussed it several times already, I'm new in this forum
and thanks for the link.
I'd say it's a good report - unbiased - but a bad article because it doesn't answer the very question: HOW did Sotnikova beat Yuna Kim if her artistry was a different class for the eye yet gave her only 0.09 point preference in the protocol?
This still remains unexplained what is logical because it's technical specialist who talks. Score is given by BOTH technical specialists and judges so they both should be inteviewed to give readers the whole picture.
Sorry if you have discussed it several times already, I'm new in this forum
and thanks for the link.Similar threads
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