Ladies Free Skate

[SailorGalaxia518]

Cohen fell?

Yep towards the end :frown2:

Go figure on a 3sal

 

[R.D.]

That's too bad. But better now than when it really counts.

This is not really a prediction per se, but I think the way things are going now, Irina is cruising toward the OGM (come on, how can she not :frown2: ). I think Cohen might be looking at a bronze medal here. I think she'll mess up at least once or twice, and that will keep her off of the top step. Not to mention her lack of a real technical arsenal to really put her above Irina in a close call. She has the "Kwan problem" so to speak- strong in other areas, not so much in jumps where the winner(s) of these events usually excel at. Once again, not a prediction, but just the WAY THINGS LOOK at this point.

What was Irina's Euros 05 Cop score, and how does it compare to these scores? I think I asked in another thread, but this might be a better place to ask it.

 

[nicole_l]

Um, holy crap! It's a shame Asada's too young to go the Olys or Worlds!

 

[cianni]

What a Surprise

I couldnt be happier. I think Arakawa should have been 2nd. and I would have been jumping for Joy. I like this little one Asada. I want more then spins and Gumby tricks. This kid seems to have a complete pkg. Jumps spins and skates to the music even for her age. Lets hope she can continue to develop and grow.

 

[R.D.]

Imagine if Asada could go to the Olympics. She might have been the one to upset Irina for the OGM! She's young enough, remember?

Without Asada, Irina has little competition this year.

 

[CDMM1991]

So, Joannie finished 4th overall. Does that mean she made the final?

 

[Mathman]

What was Irina's Euros 05 Cop score, and how does it compare to these scores? I think I asked in another thread, but this might be a better place to ask it.

Here is the link to last years scores, including the detailed judging protocols. Scroll down to Euros, Worlds, etc.

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/p...66515-183733-35802-174834-custom-item,00.html

Here is the link to the 2005-2006 GP scores.

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-136494-137802-nav-list,00.html

MM

 

[Mathman]

So, Joannie finished 4th overall. Does that mean she made the final?

The leaders so far are

Asada 21 (holds the second tie-breaker over Czisny)
Czisny 21
Sokolova 15
Rochette 14 (holds the first tie-breaker over Arakawa)
Arakawa 14
Slutskaya 12 (one event yet to come).

 

[Mathman]

Also, where is the justice in the GPS when Cupcake can make it to the final with her placements and Shizuka cannot with hers?? One is champagne and the other is a medium priced wine (on a great day only). Something needs to be done to correct the inequities.

Luck of the draw, Kyla. Sokolova got a clear path to first place at Skate America when the favorites, Michelle and Sasha, both withdrew. No amount of tweaking the formula that can prevent that from happening.

MM

 

[jesslily]

How could Sasha fell on the triple salcow? It's her most solid jump. She even practiced quad salcow. Mao is a lovely girl though and has mastered all the jumps.

 

[R.D.]

SO Irina's score from Euros was 168.71

I think she had a very good SP, though. What was her FS score- that's what I want to know. Hypothetically assuming she will have a similar performance in the OLYs, and the judges give her the same exact score, how will the other ladies fare?

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

So, Joannie finished 4th overall. Does that mean she made the final?

If Cohen didn't skate, Joannie would have been 3rd and she would definitely had qualified for the finals. With 14 points now she may squeeze in. Let's hope so.
Sokolova will more than likely be in the finals.

Sasha had to win this for the possibility of going to the finals so she is definitely out of the Finals.

We still have Miki Ando to skate two contests as well as Volchkova.

Kimmie will have to win the NHK to be a contender. Otherwise the americans have only Czisney (a replacement for Cohen).

Joe

 

[R.D.]

Wow! I just realized- If Irina were competing here, and she gave her Euros performance (assuming judging consistency) she would have been FOURTH!

This Cop is going to produce some wild results, folks. Can't wait for the OLYs (where Irina will probably end up winning, anyway...)

 

[R.D.]

Kimmie will have to win the NHK to be a contender. Otherwise the americans have only Czisney (a replacement for Cohen).

Joe

Who'd 'a thunk it? Out of all the Americans, it has to be CZISNY. Not Cohen- not Kwan- maybe not even Meissner- but Czisny. Who's that again?

 

[gezando]

How could Sasha fell on the triple salcow?

Even withhout the fall, Cohen's score would still be 0.3 behind Mao's, therefore there is no net change of the podium placement.

 

[gezando]

Kimmie will have to win the NHK to be a contender. Otherwise the americans have only Czisney (a replacement for Cohen).

Joe

Interesting to see how Kimmie vs Miki will come out in NHK

 

[R.D.]

Even withhout the fall, Cohen's score would still be 0.3 behind Mao's, therefore there is no net change of the podium placement.

If one thinks about it, that's pretty impressive. TWO triple axels and Mao would have just barely won had Cohen not fallen. Still, a win is a win.

But, with Asada out of the OLYs, it's Arakawa and Slutskaya I see as the top contenders right now. Cohen has to play catch up at this point.

 

[gezando]

If one thinks about it, that's pretty impressive. TWO triple axels and Mao would have just barely won had Cohen not fallen. Still, a win is a win.

Two triple axel or just one?? I thoght they said Mao's jumping passes were 3a,
3f, 3z, 2a, 3l 2l 2l, 3f 2l, 3z 2l. Cohen and Arakawa both had higher PCS, you know the COP equivalent of the 6.0 presentation score that you love so much. Actually this is a convincing win, because Mao won both phases of the competition, Mao also messed up the final combo spin. Now in thesp, Mao had level 4 spiral, and Cohen only had level 3 spiral, maybe Mao's spiral was the deal breaker here.

 

[bdreampixie]

If one thinks about it, that's pretty impressive. TWO triple axels and Mao would have just barely won had Cohen not fallen. Still, a win is a win.

Mao only landed one triple axel, and it received -.40 GOE. So even with mistakes of her own, Mao still would have beat a cleaner Sasha.

 

[Doggygirl]

Even withhout the fall, Cohen's score would still be 0.3 behind Mao's, therefore there is no net change of the podium placement.

It's impossible to say that in a definitive sense given the small margin (factually) of .3. A fall tends to be disruptive to a program to some degree, so who knows what minor other variances would have occured in the scoring had Sasha stayed on her feet.

But..the fact remains that Sasha did NOT stay on her feet. I hope this is another lesson to her that she MUST skate clean if she hopes to achieve her larger goals.

Mao was also VERY COP smart (or accidentally smart considering this was NOT the jump layout at all from COC) here at TEB. She did all 3 of her allowed jump combo passes at the end of her program. The 10% bonus alone added up to almost an extra 2.5 points. I suspect some of this might have been "missed it earlier, so make up for it here at the end" but whether planned or not, it worked well for her score.

Red Dog, Mao can't just simply turn the 2A into a 3A. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that would be a Zayak violation. I think the only way she can do 2 3A's is to put one in combination. 3 combos is the max, so to do a 3A combo she would have to eliminate another jump. So the point difference between a 2A and 3A isn't the whole picture - the actual result would be different, and most likely less than that.

But again, a young skater doing a 3A and a 3A combo in ladies would probably get some "bonus" in the PCS realm, and IMO deservedly so.

DG