Men FS - 2014 Russian Championships

gmyers · Dec 25, 2013

The judges didn't really do anything! The technical content was just not in the same league! 67 vs 85? Lol what did the judges do?

Mista Ekko · Dec 25, 2013

Ziggy said:
He had more content planned. He tripled the second quad and doubled some of his jumps. The landing of the first quad wasn't solid enough to do a combo there. I guess he could have added some more combinations. He only did one (sequence). If he just added 2toe and 2toe/2toe at the end of anything, especially in the second half, that would have been a fair amount of extra points.

Yes i imagined he had more planned

Just saying, maybe he could have gone for like a 3t-2t instead of the double lutz and made a combination out of one of the solo triples in the beginning,
It looked like he's not even in it .

FSGMT · Dec 25, 2013

I think That Pikteev ran out of stamina, he looks exhausted

Ziggy · Dec 25, 2013

Aidan Pitkeev

3axel/3toe (huge and solid!), 3lutz/2toe (huge), 3axel (had to fight for the landing), 3lutz (a little scratchy landing), 3flip, 2loop, 3salchow/2toe/2toe, 2axel

HUGE jumps given how young and tiny he is. Basics decent but he skated through the music. Is it Trankov commentating with the usual Sport 2 commentator? He said something like 'the music was playing separately and he was skating separately' and that was pretty much it.

Mista Ekko · Dec 25, 2013

Indeed, Especially on that last sequence ...

So wait, who's in third ?
Menshov ?

Ziggy · Dec 25, 2013

Eladola said:
Just saying, maybe he could have gone for like a 3t-2t instead of the double lutz and made a combination out of one of the solo triples in the beginning,
It looked like he's not even in it .

Why would he go for a 3toe/2toe instead a 3lutz? It wouldn't make sense.

gmyers said:
The judges didn't really do anything! The technical content was just not in the same league! 67 vs 85? Lol what did the judges do?

Gave him 9s all across in the SP for starters.

CanadianSkaterGuy · Dec 25, 2013

That program of Plu was ridiculously empty with standing breaks and two foot skating. So, naturally it deserves 95 points of PCS! :laugh:

And I thought Dai's PCS was high for making 4 mistakes. It's funny after his performance I told myself: "Watch him clear 160 for that... 95 points of PCS probably." Glad to see the Russian judges didn't disappoint.

Clearly Kovtun deserved to win and I'm glad he did.

Based on the SP though I can totally picture Russia sending Plu and then having him claim injury so Kovtun can skate the free in the team event and then Kovtun does the individual men.

Bartek · Dec 25, 2013

Wow, I can't believe they let Kovtun win but it was fair and square. Neither could Buyanova believe. And to see Tarasova's tears of joys in comparison with Mishin's facial expression was absolutely precious! It was so reminiscent of their duel at 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuwkN-gjtk&t=9m12s

Frenchie · Dec 25, 2013

Ziggy said:
You can replace skaters between SP and FS.

Only those countries who have more than 1 skater in that discipline can.

As Dobrinfan pointed out, having the 1 skater withdraw due to injury at a specific point in time is the only option to allow a substitute man to compete for Russia.

RemyRose · Dec 25, 2013

Ziggy said:
You can replace skaters between SP and FS.

only if they have 2 spots or more. If only 1 skater is there like for Russia's men, he has to skate both the short and long. If he w/d after the short, he forfeits his spot in the individual event.

RemyRose · Dec 25, 2013

Final Standings

1. M. Kovtun 85.05 + 89.00 = 174.05, Total 267.13
2. E. Plushenko 67.74 + 95.22 = 162.96, Total 261.37
3. S. Voronov 77.20 + 83.14 = 160.34, Total 249.44
4. K. Menshov 80.19 + 79.22 = 159.41, Total 230.13
5. A. Pitkeev 73.30 + 74.20 = 147.50, Total 224.25
6. A. Gachinsky 76.59 + 78.48 = 155.07, Total 224.17
7. Z. Bush 67.94 + 77.06 - 1= 144.00, Total 217.40
8. A. Petrov 72.32 + 72.36 = 144.68, Total 216.47
9. A. Dmitriev 56.07 +74.64 = 130.71, Total 202.03
10. M. Kurbanov 67.44 + 67.94 = 135.38, Total 199.86
11. S. Borodulin 64.45 + 68.14 = 132.59. Total 197.31
12. G. Gorshkov 52.51 + 73.49 = 125.99, Total 196.72
13. A. Samarin 66.58 + 64.50 - 1 = 130.08. Total 193.11
14. A. Lazukin 63.45 + 64.28 = 127.83. Total 186.25
15. M. Kvitelashvili 47.07 + 68.44 - 1 = 114.51, Total 184.98
16. V. Sezganov 55.71 + 64.30 = 120.01, Total 182.75
17. K. Milyukov 40.68 + 60. 80 = 101.48. Total 165.58

WD Kolyada

seniorita · Dec 25, 2013

So he did 3R, 3S, 3A, 3Lz, 3A+3T, 4T+2T, 4T and then blew it at the competition, the program was also not improved since Riga,the sp was bad, I have some negative thoughts towards Misin today for Liza, Arthur and Plush somehow.

qwertyskates · Dec 25, 2013

Ok, I'd like to hear from those who rudely scoffed at me, sneered, ridiculed and called me a troll when I predicted it will be a 3-way race between Chan-Hanyu-Kovtun on the Men's GPF thread. :biggrin:

Frenchie · Dec 25, 2013

Shoot!
I'd have had the perfect result if Dmitriev had been able to ask his old pal Candeloro to skate the D'Artagnan program for his son!
my predictions:
Men:
1.) Maxim Kovtun
2.) Evgeny Plushenko
3.) Sergei Voronov
4.) Konstantin Menshov
5.) Artur Dmitriev Jr.

6.) Adian Pitkeev

gmyers · Dec 25, 2013

Ziggy said:
Why would he go for a 3toe/2toe instead a 3lutz? It wouldn't make sense.

Gave him 9s all across in the SP for starters.

They basically did the same thing for kovtun or do you forget it was 98 vs 93? What now all kovtuns scores are actually legitimate and he will get 90 in pcs in Sochi or euros or internationally now?

RemyRose · Dec 25, 2013

gmyers · Dec 25, 2013

seniorita said:
So he did 3R, 3S, 3A, 3Lz, 3A+3T, 4T+2T, 4T and then blew it at the competition, the program was also not improved since Riga,the sp was bad, I have some negative thoughts towards Misin today for Liza, Arthur and Plush somehow.

Instead of tuktamisheva and gachinski leaving him mishin should retire. Unfortunately all of his skaters and i mean all of them stink now for different reasons.

bekalc · Dec 25, 2013

gmyers said:
They basically did the same thing for kovtun or do you forget it was 98 vs 93? What now all kovtuns scores are actually legitimate and he will get 90 in pcs in Sochi or euros or internationally now?

At least Kovtun skated well. Not to mention, while I think his were inflated, I think Plush's were inflated by something like 14 points if not more) Kovtun's capable of getting in the lower 80s in PCS internationally.

CanadianSkaterGuy · Dec 25, 2013

As lousy as Voronov's skate was, he deserved to be placed ahead of Plushenko in the FS.

Yeesh, 8th best TES in the FS and the best PCS by 6 points over Kovtun. At least Plushenko's TES was so low that even if the judges gave him 100 points of PCS he couldn't have been held up over Kovtun.

Frenchie · Dec 25, 2013

gmyers said:
They basically did the same thing for kovtun or do you forget it was 98 vs 93? What now all kovtuns scores are actually legitimate and he will get 90 in pcs in Sochi or euros or internationally now?

The lack of PCS of Plushenko compared to Kovtun is particularly blatant in the SP.
Kovtun's LP is much more "simple to ensure landing the jumps", but his SP is stuffed with intricate choreography and transitions - no, this is not a curse word!

Still far away from Chan, Takahashi or Hanyu, but at least he's trying. "simple to ensure landing the jumps" is all Plushenko does, all the way through his programs, except during the step sequences. Internationally, whatever your name and reputation, that's not enough.

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