Now that it's official, can Michelle win the OGM?
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Mathman said:
You are assuming that Irina will get no positive goe on her non jumping elements. Irina has been getting pluses on her non jumping elements and some of her jumps when she does them well. Irina got a +5.22 goe at Euros with a couple of mistakes.
We haven't seen Michelle's spins and don't know the levels or how well she does them. I think your assessment is probably close. Just based on worlds from last year Michelle didn't get anything over a +1 in goe except for her spiral.
Lower levels means lower goe points so even if she would get some postitive it probably wouldn't be as much as Irina with a higher level. We haven't seen exactly when her jumps are happening so not sure what is after 2 min. Doing all those combos after 2 min is a bigger risk with stamina and pressure.
We have no idea about choreography or transitions either with Michelle's programs.
You are forgetting the SP. If Michelle does not have all level 4's like Irina and Sasha she's in a hole already. Getting behind by 5 pts. would be very hard to make up without Irina making major mistakes.
Can Michelle win? Sure under the right cirumstances but the odds are going to be against her.
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I thought this was a singularly silly thing for Kat to say. Of course Michelle is "going for" a gold medal. They all are. That doesn't mean she'll get it.SkateFan4Life said:
Michelle did not "replace Emily," and the New York media knows this, or at least they ought to if they have kept up with the news. Emily was never on the Olympic team. Emily will replace Michelle or Sasha or Kimmie if one of them is not able to perform.
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Mathman said:
I respectfully disagree with you, Mathman, on your assessment of Katarina's comments concerning Michelle. We need to remember that Kat was one of the toughest competitors to ever lace up skates. She competed for the GDR, a country that expected her to win, and she skated with a brand of determination and confidence that is, well, rare these days. As she has said, "I wanted to kick butt when I competed." I'm not saying that Michelle doesn't want to win the Olympic gold medal - of course she does! - but I do not think she has the kind of competitive edge, the "killer instinct", and the drive to win the gold medal.
If I'm wrong about this, and Michelle does win the gold medal - I would be very happy for her. I just don't expect that to happen, however.
SkateFan4Life said:
I respectfully disagree with you and Kat. First, it was a silly remark. There are reasons for going to Olys other than (a) the OGM or (b) "'the experience". I read somewhere, for example, that Kat went to Olys in '94 to skate a routine to "make a statement" about the situation in Sarajevo. Suppose Michelle wanted to tie another long standing record -- which she will do if she wins a medal, any color -- because she will tie Sonia Henie for most Oly medals in the ladies event.
Second, the "killer instinct" is not enough for the OGM. Michelle IMO definitly has a "killer instinct" simply because you don't last as long as she has without one. However, Irina has the same competitive drive. So, I think that Michelle is going for the gold, in the sense of having her competitive drive in full gear, but I think Irina is going for it, too -- so, between the two of them, it will depend on how they skate, who are working as tech specialists, etc. at the ladies event, and, the judges.
I mean the skaters who are eligible to compete in Italy. It's too bad that Mao can not go. I doubt that she will skate better in four years than she does now.
The media does make a wave making it look like that Emily is a experienced competitior with superb jumps and artistry, and she should be in the Olympic team. Michelle gets in just because of her fame. But I feel USFS is pretty fair and they truely know that injuried Michelle will still get higher placement than Emily in Italy.
The media does make a wave making it look like that Emily is a experienced competitior with superb jumps and artistry, and she should be in the Olympic team. Michelle gets in just because of her fame. But I feel USFS is pretty fair and they truely know that injuried Michelle will still get higher placement than Emily in Italy.
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attyfan said:
I respectfully disagree with you, too.
Remember that Katarina had skated professionally between 1988 and 1994, and she knew she did not have a realistic chance to win a medal at Lillehammer, as her technical content was not in the same league as the top eligible women of that time. She had a triple toe, and that was about it - no lutz, loop, or flip. Yes, she came to Lillehammer to make a statement about Sarajevo, and her "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" program did just that.Michelle, however, has remained an eligible skater all these years. She has a silver and and a bronze Olympic medal, so at this point she should not go to the Olympics just to soak up the experience. I certainly hope she goes there with the full intention of skating to win the gold medal. I agree with Kat that that is the only reason she should go to the Olympics. Michelle is a determined young woman, and I sincerely she skates to win!
Are you talking about the test skate? I thought most of them are international and world level judges? They must apply the world level CoP judge rules (more strict), and done in a privat session, I thought her level would be judged much more strictly than US Nationals. Because they want to make sure she got what the level designated for, given Kwan's percise of her skating (and acording to an article I read, this is one of the reason they want to see if Kwan can perform to her usual level of refinesss and percise, which was not show totally at Marshalls), the level they saw is what they called.slutskayafan21 said:
I'm still going to say, let's wait to see how MK's SP stack up agains IS's. Kwan may not win or medal due to the time she lost in trainning. But she'll display the refiness and smoothness that she always has by excute TT's choreography to a t.
And I don't know how judges will judge them, but I do know usually Judge like to see the improvements from the skaters. Given Kwan 'poor' showing last world under CoP system. If this season she come back with CoP friendly programs and upgraded elements, judge might just reward her for that.
I can't wait to see MK's two programs.
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Ya know, this fuss about Emily is coming from the anyone but MK fans. Everything was done by the rules. Emily was considered for the team as it should be for a skater who placed in the Nats but according to rules MK asked for a bye. She did not toss Emily out. Emily was never in to be tossed out. Neither was MK in 92 in and tossed out. If you have full faith and trust in the rules that's the way the game is played. Over and Out.
Oh, one other thing. IMO, If Alissa gets her act together it'll be bye bye Emilie next year.
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Oh, one other thing. IMO, If Alissa gets her act together it'll be bye bye Emilie next year.
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"I am not saying that Michelle doesn't want to win the Olympic gold medal of course she does-but I do not think she has the competitive edge the 'killer instinct' and drive to win the gold medal"
I have never heard killer instinct and figure skating in the same
sentence. But if anyone has it it is MK and Irina. Both of these ladies
should be very proud of their careers and their accomplishments,
they are in a class of their own.
I have never heard killer instinct and figure skating in the same
sentence. But if anyone has it it is MK and Irina. Both of these ladies
should be very proud of their careers and their accomplishments,
they are in a class of their own.
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demarinis5 said:
Look, I'm not bashing Michelle. I have admired her skating and wonderful sportsmanship for many years. What I am saying is that she has not raised the bar for herself, technically, and she simply doesn't have the technical content that some of the other top women have. There is no 3/3/ combination, for example. She has not competed in a serious competition since last year's Worlds, and while she finished fourth, it was obvious that she had not yet brought herself up to speed with the requirements of the new judging system.
I'm certainly hoping that Michelle is pumped up and comes into Torino to win the gold medal.
How can one get it more wrong than this?SkateFan4Life said:
at those so called media reports, should the respect the fact? Emily was never named as team at first place, she was named as altnate. They should say Michelle is cleared to skate at Turino, Michelle is not replaced by Emily.Witt's whole point was, if MK is health to skate she and/or USFSA has every reason to put her on team. But as MK herself, she should go only for the Gold, since she already had silver and bonze, she should let young skater take the experience. She was hopeing MK pull up a good sportswomanship, or "spirit of LeiFeng."....Sorry Witt this is not China or Comunist Country in 70s. MK and USFSA performed by rule.SkateFan4Life said:
And by Witt's logical the similar argument could be made, Hughes family already has an OGM, so Emily shouldn't go. Let Katy go.
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Joesitz said:
Emily is overrated because she is Sarah's younger sister IMO. I have no problem with her spot on the team being given to Michelle. Emily is better off having more time to develop anyway, her skating is not up to an even respectable showing at the Olympic level yet.
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mzheng said:
It it wasnt for the laughable PCS scores Hughes got in both programs Taylor would have medaled at Nationals this year.
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mzheng said:And by Witt's logical the similar argument could be made, Hughes family already has an OGM, so Emily shouldn't go. Let Katy go.
I have to laugh at that one!
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Michelle has won nearly all of her gold medals by outjumping the competition, but this time that isn't likely to happen. Fourth at best
BTW.....at next years Nats , I expect both Kimmie and Katy to be on the podium
BTW.....at next years Nats , I expect both Kimmie and Katy to be on the podium
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Even this language is a little bit misleading. Emily does not have and never had a "spot on the Olympic team" for Michelle or anyone else to be given.slutskayafan21 said:
Emily earned a spot on the U.S. Nationals podium. No one is plotting to take this away from her.
I have to agree about Katy, BTW. Coming up through the ranks, she was always paired with Kimmie as the future of U.S. figure skating. Then Kimmie jumped ahead with her triple Axel and podium finish at 2005 Nationals. Now it's Katy's turn to step up to the big time (check out the Four Continents results
)I think if Sasha declines the trip to worlds after the Olympics, it won't be a disaster at all if we send Kimmie, Emily and Katy.]
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Mathman said:Even this language is a little bit misleading. Emily does not have and never had a "spot on the Olympic team" for Michelle or anyone else to be given.
Emily earned a spot on the U.S. Nationals podium. No one is plotting to take this away from her.
I have to agree about Katy, BTW. Coming up through the ranks, she was always paired with Kimmie as the future of U.S. figure skating. Then Kimmie jumped ahead with her triple Axel and podium finish at 2005 Nationals. Now it's Katy's turn to step up to the big time (check out the Four Continents results
I think if Sasha declines the trip to worlds after the Olympics, it won't be a disaster at all if we send Kimmie, Emily and Katy.]
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So sad what happened to BB in the Four Continents long program.
Sorry you are right, I should say I have no problem with Michelle being given the spot instead of Emily gaining the spot through her U.S Nationals bronze.
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Fourth would be a fine result, all things considered. I hope she does well enough in the short program to skate in the last six. (Otherwise, NBC will have to show more than one flight of ladies, LOL.)tripleflutz said:
This does not detract from the fact that she is there to "go for the gold." So is Miki Ando. So is Joannie Rochette. So is Suzanna Poykio. So is Elena Sokolova.
If you are going for any other reason, stay home.
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