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Side track, is the nature or nurture for Samantha's probblems, e.g. UR, speed, shallow edge...
Nurture, skaters can fix problems. A lot have done so.
Side track, is the nature or nurture for Samantha's probblems, e.g. UR, speed, shallow edge...
Cesario's biggest problem was always that she was never considered an A-list skater, even within the US -- no matter how she skated. That would have undermined her in either system, especially under the previous, ineluctably-given-to-bias, 6.0 system.
I noticed SC's skating a couple of seasons ago, but I don't really feel like she improved since then or perhaps it's that others caught up to her, as well. As with many other skaters, she's way better than average, but is also competing in during a period where there are people who just skate better.
I know I'm late to the party, but under the current system, though she and Rachael Flatt had some similar weaknesses, there is no real comparison between her and Flatt. The US ladies field in fact was NOT that much weaker when Flatt was winning medals than it it now. The difference between these two is quite simply and plainly that Rachael could rotate her jumps 100% of the time when she was winning those medals and did not have edge issues. If Sam could have rotated her jumps and never had edge issues, she'd have some nationals medals too, I bet.
Cesario never suggests she would have been more successful under the previous judging system. Good thing, because that would have been false.
I know I'm late to the party, but under the current system, though she and Rachael Flatt had some similar weaknesses, there is no real comparison between her and Flatt. The US ladies field in fact was NOT that much weaker when Flatt was winning medals than it it now. The difference between these two is quite simply and plainly that Rachael could rotate her jumps 100% of the time when she was winning those medals and did not have edge issues. If Sam could have rotated her jumps and never had edge issues, she'd have some nationals medals too, I bet.
Completely disagree. Cesario is a very consistent skater (3 seasons in a row she never fell on a jump and in fact the only jump she ever had a significant problem on in major competition was the 3-3 combo) with very good performance ability. In a time when skating a clean, exciting SP with 3Lutz+2Toe and 3Flip and a clean, exciting LP with 6-7 Triples put you really far up (with a flutz and minor underrotations not mattering as much), Cesario certainly would have found success. Frankly, she could have WON a couple U.S. Championships if you transport her 2013-2014 level of skating back 5+ years.
In terms of what she did in these past few years under the actual current scoring system, I think she has been undervalued too. For me she deserved to medal at 2013 Nationals, she deserved to medal at 2013 Junior Worlds, and she deserved to medal at Skate America 2014. In general her scores have usually been lower than what she is really putting out there on the ice. That's very demotivating. Some things have been said about her that are simply not true as well, like "having no transitions". I remember someone here linked to a video of a guy calling her program "nothing but sassy elbows" and at one point he even said "look at how there's nothing going on between the element" when she had done a great split jump just 2 seconds prior! Also, the amount of practice and mental fortitude that it takes to position your body to do "sassy elbows" beautifully and in time with the music should not be discounted. Yeah, she really shouldn't have reused Carmen this past season and the choreography got a bit more mechanical than the previous season, but it's ridiculous to act like she isn't a very well trained and talented skater.