Season and personal best scores?

[SmileHappy34]

The personal best and season best score arent because they are not included in the official count

Ex Adam Him Saio so call lesser competition in France. His short program score is 109. It is not included because it was done in a competition that not in the official counted competition.
A casual fan or someone who would look for that score And not find it. Would say Adam has high short program score regardless of the official list.
A casual fan or person don't care about that list only who had high score.

The Sb and personal and high scores list is false. Those scores are meaningless . It leaves out who really had high score or best competition.



Why it doesn't include the scores from competition that is not counted.

The skater wonder why they do t receive scores like that in countable competition or come close.

The fans wonder to and wonder why not included or given explanation as to why not .

The high, personal, season best scores are meaningless .

 

[Ziotic]

The personal best and season best score arent because they are not included in the official count

Ex Adam Him Saio so call lesser competition in France. His short program score is 109. It is not included because it was done in a competition that not in the official counted competition.
A casual fan or someone who would look for that score And not find it. Would say Adam has high short program score regardless of the official list.
A casual fan or person don't care about that list only who had high score.

The Sb and personal and high scores list is false. Those scores are meaningless . It leaves out who really had high score or best competition.



Why it doesn't include the scores from competition that is not counted.

The skater wonder why they do t receive scores like that in countable competition or come close.

The fans wonder to and wonder why not included or given explanation as to why not .

The high, personal, season best scores are meaningless .

Its because domestic judging panels often have very different scoring than international.

These scores can only come from ISU sanctioned events as they determine eligibility for things like the GP. Otherwise home countries would inflate their scores to guarantee spots.

 

[Minz]

Yes, international scores are the only scores that count for minimums, PB/SB’s and world records. There is often inflation in domestic scoring, and as said above, everyone would have tech minimums and be breaking WRs.

 

[cheerknithanson]

Also they don't tend to look at e, q, !, <, or even << as much for a nationals panel.

 

[SmileHappy34]

First of all I stated International competition only.
2nd the competition I used as an example is listed in this forum as other International competition. ( Metropole Nice de Azur).

 

[SmileHappy34]

Last but not least,
The public does not care which judging or tech panel (Olympic or international)when they see high , personal, or season's best score
They expect It to be that Skater's high, personal, season best.
As current , you even keep their high score regardless of event. The skater / team does not have high score ( worlds but at a Challenger ).

 

[cheerknithanson]

It doesn't exactly work that way. Some competitions that are international have more lenient judging than others. For example, the World Team Trophy, while fun for everyone because Worlds is done, they tend to have a lot of inflated scores. A LOT.

The technical panel can absolutely have a big effect on competitions. Especially if Shin Amano, one of the strictest technical specialists, is judging a competition. Some of these strict panels will look closely to see if there are hints of underrotations. Which if they see it, they'll dock it and therefore will have a lower base value and most likely a negative GOE.

 

[Minz]

Also, I think the public generally understands that there are certain standards/qualifications that need to be met in order to set a WR or "count." Not just in skating, but in any sport or event. For example, Eliud Kipchoge ran a sub-2 hour marathon but it didn't count for any official world record due to the conditions that it was in. Or, for example, the WR for a 3x3 Rubik's cube is 3.13 seconds. People have solved a cube faster, but it has to be in an official WCA (World Cube Association) competition with an approved scramble.

 

[SmileHappy34]

It doesn't exactly work that way. Some competitions that are international have more lenient judging than others. For example, the World Team Trophy, while fun for everyone because Worlds is done, they tend to have a lot of inflated scores. A LOT.

The technical panel can absolutely have a big effect on competitions. Especially if Shin Amano, one of the strictest technical specialists, is judging a competition. Some of these strict panels will look closely to see if there are hints of underrotations. Which if they see it, they'll dock it and therefore will have a lower base value and most likely a negative GOE.

Most people Don't know shin amato and how strict the person is or how lenient is the tech panel and judges.

they see total score . They see personal, highest or season best,not how lenient are the tech panel and judges. How the competition is international versus Olympic.

 

[cheerknithanson]

It's not going to change just because of one event. Just like how when I was 13-14, I saw the record for most birthdates memorized was 15 and I was like, "I can beat that!" But of course I don't know what the rules were for that record in particular.

 

[SmileHappy34]

Also, I think the public generally understands that there are certain standards/qualifications that need to be met in order to set a WR or "count." Not just in skating, but in any sport or event. For example, Eliud Kipchoge ran a sub-2 hour marathon but it didn't count for any official world record due to the conditions that it was in. Or, for example, the WR for a 3x3 Rubik's cube is 3.13 seconds. People have solved a cube faster, but it has to be in an official WCA (World Cube Association) competition with an approved scramble.

Yes they understand certain standards . They don't expect different standards of skating between Olympic and international.
Nor is it posted the minimum tech scores to get to Europeans, Four Continents , worlds, or Olympic. Nor is it posted the difference in how the tech panel and judges call a jump ur , downgraded between the international and Olympic competition s or between worlds junior events, four continents, Europeans, challengers and Olympic.
Nor do they posted the difference in qualifications for international and Olympic.
They just say these people can judge or be tech panel for Olympic and these for international competition. No criteria listed as to what and the difference .

 

[SmileHappy34]

If you want to push high , season , or personal best score. Than put the skaters or team highest score regardless of international or Olympic competition.
People will assume that the skaters highest score is what skaters receive during year or in skaters active competit years. The person will not assume only official list only with events not accepted the skater score higher.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

This is something that has always bugged me. And for that reason, when I am making Fan Fests, I include two sets of tables listing best scores. One set that lists only the ISU recognised best scores, and another set that lists the best scores from each different type of competition.

To see what I mean, here is an example using a skater who has competed in all the types of competition, under either the +5 / -5 or +3 / -3 systems (I do separate tables for each system):

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/73911

Just scroll down the original post to the "Personal Best Scores" section (after the "Programmes" section).

(In the Word documents that I make the Fan Fests out in, the competitions are colour coded. But, unfortunately, XenForo doesn't support background colours in tables. I did try it with font colours instead, but it makes it too hard to read).

I wish the ISU would do something similar. I'm not necessarily saying that the ISU has to recognise the scores from these events; I just want them to acknowledge that they exist.

But, given that the ISU doesn't even have a database containing everything that we are able to browse never mind search, I can't see it happening.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[TallyT]

The international scores are dodgy anyway, so what difference does it make?

The difference is, them's the rules.

 

[el henry]

Do people really pay that much attention to PBs?

I have no idea what Jason's, Andrew's, or Donovan's PBs are off the top of my head. I'm happy when I see they have set one, but I wouldn't know it unless someone told me.

I care if they lay down great skates. I care for them if they medal.

There is no Madden for skating (IYKYK )

 

[TallyT]

I think it depends on the fan. I know people who can quote - off the top of their heads - the most minute details of their sporting idol's statistics per season; others just think SoAndSo is fabulous to watch and are happy with that.

 

[DancingCactus]

Personally I don't give a fig about PBs etc. The scoring system changes all the time, so what might have been a record the previous year might become obsolete the next, panel's and judges change each competition....Its nice if a skater breaks their personal records but its hardly what makes me interested in the sport. This is not track and field.

 

[noskates]

PBs don't factor into anything other than maybe the skater's "oh wow I/we improved!" It's just not a big deal other than the interest factor.

 

[NanaPat]

PBs don't factor into anything other than maybe the skater's "oh wow I/we improved!" It's just not a big deal other than the interest factor.

They are also helpful in making predictions either before or during a competition!

I just don't see the "omitted" scores that don't count toward a PB as a problem. "Casual" fans, if they are interested in PBs at all, just look them up (or are told them by a commentator).

If you are in a position to say "wait, that skater had a better score at (Nationals, minor international, etc)" then you are more than a "casual" fan and in a position to understand that some judging panels are not as skilled/unbiased as others. There's enough reputatation and biased judging as it is; let's not add to it by pretending all competitions are equal.

 

[TallyT]

The scoring system changes all the time, so what might have been a record the previous year might become obsolete the next, panel's and judges change each competition....

Which is why, I guess, they brought in the permanent historical records after the big scoring change in 2018.

I think personal bests become more important to fans of specific skaters who follow their career and if you are doing that then the non-'official' scores matter that bit more, if not quite as much as the ones on the record books. But if Adam did it there, he very well might in the GP or Euros (you cannot tell me that the judging/scoring at the Challengers was any more dodgy than Skate America - to say nothing of the Russian GPs or even Olympics! when they had them - are known for being, folks. Nationals of course are a really different and hysterically unbalanced, not for the record books please sir, herd of judging beasts). He knew it wouldn't officially count, which is why as I understand he went for a backflip in the free? That was for the fans.