South Korean federation's complaint to the ISU about judging

[fridakalo]

Is Jesse Helms -famous figure skating columnist koreans? http://voices.yahoo.com/scandal-fraud-death-figure-skating-12547557.html?cat=9
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-sochi-scandal-figure-skating-pro-wrestling-12581743.html?cat=9

Is Alex Abad-Santos korean? http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/

Is InsideSkating.net korean? http://www.insideskating.net/2014/0...state-of-sochi-analyzing-ladies-short-program

Is JACK GALLAGHER in JapanTimes Korean?
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/...after-kim-denied-second-olympic-gold/#.UwuZZM

 

[whatif]

Are Tim Gerber and his comrades who are in ISU technical panels koreans?
http://www.insideskating.net/2014/0...-people-deserve-to-know-if-a-mistake-was-made

Tim Gerber is a known anti-Russian troll. Also he hates Carolina Kostner.

 

[fridakalo]

Tim Gerber is a known anti-Russian troll. Also he hates Carolina Kostner.

Wow,what is your sources? if not objectively, you are also anti-Tim Gerber troll

 

[qwertyskates]

#4 already has been proved. Look at the thread where all of the steps/turns are listed. #2 and #3 are not hard to see. Like, at all. The only way to further prove it would be to make a video that measures her rotations so that you will no longer have any possible way to keep trolling like you have been.

Watched the Sochi performances several times, it's not hard to see and Yuna's stsq didn't have all the balance-affecting upper body movements for 1/3 of the sequence compared to Adelina's and Caro's, she was mostly upright, with arm movements and it was also slower with pauses that weren't fitting the music.


Instead of insulting, can you back up your allegations with other experts who claimed the same with an analysis breakdown of her stsq to prove Tech Panel made a wrong call?

 

[qwertyskates]

Are Tim Gerber and his comrades who are in ISU technical panels koreans?
http://www.insideskating.net/2014/0...-people-deserve-to-know-if-a-mistake-was-made

No, but they are Yuna ubers, as stated in my post.

Edit: According to article

Who is Tim Gerber, the author of the letter to ISU

"Did you actually use your knowledge in a figure skating technical panel?
I have not participated as a technical panel member for any ISU events and I am not currently working with any skaters, but I have done some coaching and choreography for low-level skaters in the past.

 

[qwertyskates]

Is Jesse Helms -famous figure skating columnist koreans? http://voices.yahoo.com/scandal-fraud-death-figure-skating-12547557.html?cat=9
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-sochi-scandal-figure-skating-pro-wrestling-12581743.html?cat=9

Is Alex Abad-Santos korean? http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/

Is InsideSkating.net korean? http://www.insideskating.net/2014/0...state-of-sochi-analyzing-ladies-short-program

Is JACK GALLAGHER in JapanTimes Korean?
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/...after-kim-denied-second-olympic-gold/#.UwuZZM

For every one of your expert there were even more who did not think there was fraud in Adelina's gold.

 

[dorispulaski]

Who knows what nationality anyone on the Internet is? Jesse Helms is the name of a famous US Senator. It is likely a pseudonym. However, a name tells you nothing. I am not Polish, but my husband is. I just met a guy whose last name is Yo. He is German. His grandparents had their last name misspelled by immigration people when they moved to the US.

 

[cooper]

No, but they are Yuna ubers, as stated in my post.

Edit: According to article

you are reaching for an excuse.. bop made his case.. while you just shrug it off because you simply don't know anything..just admit it.. heck i admit i'm not the greatest expert of figure skating.. but here you are trying desperately by saying that he is a yuna uber when in fact when you read his past posts he is not..

 

[Symmetry]

Watched the Sochi performances several times, it's not hard to see and Yuna's stsq didn't have all the balance-affecting upper body movements for 1/3 of the sequence compared to Adelina's and Caro's, she was mostly upright, with arm movements and it was also slower with pauses that weren't fitting the music.


Instead of insulting, can you back up your allegations with other experts who claimed the same with an analysis breakdown of her stsq to prove Tech Panel made a wrong call?

Based on what I have read, BoP laid out his analysis better than anyone including any ISU officials or TV commentators. If you don't agree with his analysis (which is totally fine), why don't you make a counter argument point by point based on what he wrote? Without it, you are the one who is insulting someone's work.

Also, BoP is far from being a Yuna uber.

 

[qwertyskates]

you are reaching for an excuse.. bop made his case.. while you just shrug it off because you simply don't know anything..just admit it.. heck i admit i'm not the greatest expert of figure skating.. but here you are trying desperately by saying that he is a yuna uber when in fact when you read his past posts he is not..

I don't buy BoP's case for Yuna's stsq, he said #2 and #3 are visible, and visibly, to me, she did not meet those criteria. Just as he doesn't agree with the Sochi Tech Panel's call, I don't agree with his. There is no "desperation" here, except maybe from you. Many of us, including many media and fs experts saw the exact same skates and agreed with the results of Sochi, including those from the NYTimes, Christian Science Monitor, etc. There is no "shrugging off", but you are trying to make it sound like there is a majority opinion out there that thinks like you. I don't, and a few voices on The Wire, Japan Times, don't constitute a majority opinion.

I enjoyed Adelina's skate and feel it is better than Yuna's. Even Caro skated better, tbh. However, I will not fight for Caro to receive Silver, and notice that the Italians didn't threaten Adelina or deface her social media sites either.

 

[qwertyskates]

Based on what I have read, BoP laid out his analysis better than anyone including any ISU officials or TV commentators. If you don't agree with his analysis (which is totally fine), why don't you make a counter argument point by point based on what he wrote? Without it, you are the one who is insulting someone's work.

Also, BoP is far from being a Yuna uber.

It's funny, you are making the allegations of fraud, you are obliged to produce proof that fraud happened, not the other way round. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, remember? BoP tried, I don't agree, to me Yuna didn't fulfill the criteria, therefore I agreed with Tech Panel's call. This is creepy obsession, tbh.

 

[jenm]

I don't buy BoP's case for Yuna's stsq, just as he doesn't agree with the Sochi Tech Panel's call. There is no "desperation" here, except maybe from you. Many of us, including many media and fs experts saw the exact same skates and agreed with the results of Sochi, including those from the NYTimes, Christian Science Monitor, etc. There is no "shrugging off", but you are trying to make it sound like there is a majority opinion out there that thinks like you. I don't, and a few voices on The Wire, Japan Times, don't constitute a majority opinion.

I enjoyed Adelina's skate and feel it is better than Yuna's. Even Caro skated better, tbh.

That article from NYT is full of manipulated photos. Every photo/image in there is manipulated to justify Adelina's win. As someone who know graphics, I can attest to that. Just look at the start of the arrow on Adelina's take off on her 2A-3T. The arrow started on her free leg and not on the actual start of her take -off to make it look like she jumped higher. That's pretty crappy of them. If you believed that and you know about fs or graphics then, sorry but I'm gonna say you're either in denial or blind.

 

[qwertyskates]

That article from NYT is full of manipulated photos. Every photo/image in there is manipulated to justify Adelina's win. As someone who know graphics, I can attest to that. Just look at the start of the arrow on Adelina's take off on her 2A-3T. The arrow started on her free leg and not on the actual start of her take -off to make it look like she jumped higher. That's pretty crappy of them. If you believed that and you know about fs or graphics then, sorry but I'm gonna say you're either in denial or blind.

Wow....incredible....you are now making allegations against the NYT??? That the NYT cared so much for Russia and Adelina's gold they would stoop to fraud? My....like I said, creepy.

Look, I didn't come to my conclusion because of the NYT photos, I came to my conclusion based on what I saw, and to allege that the general press and experts are resorting to fraud, as if there is a Global Conspiracy to deprive Yuna of gold, this is getting really absurd, and too paranoid.

 

[whatif]

Edit: According to article "Did you actually use your knowledge in a figure skating technical panel?
I have not participated as a technical panel member for any ISU events and I am not currently working with any skaters, but I have done some coaching and choreography for low-level skaters in the past.

He never done any coaching. That's a lie. He is just an arm chair judge, who never professionally trained nor competed. Just an anti-Russian troll.

 

[Symmetry]

It's funny, you are making the allegations of fraud, you are obliged to produce proof that fraud happened, not the other way round. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, remember? BoP tried, I don't agree, to me Yuna didn't fulfill the criteria, therefore I agreed with Tech Panel's call. This is creepy obsession, tbh.

He was confident enough to release his identity, had his letter publicly accessible, and sent his letter to the ISU. On the other hand, what did ISU do? No one explained questions raised. The president made a vague comment that Judges are humans and make mistakes.

Based on what you wrote, it sounds like you agree with the call because it was made by the Panel. What all I say is, if you wish to defend the Panel's call, do it more analytically so that people can understand how the tech panel made that call. In the ideal world, the ISU official, not you, should have answered.

 

[whatif]

Wow,what is your sources?

His history of posts and not only here but on other boards as well.

 

[whatif]

He was confident enough to release his identity, had his letter publicly accessible, and sent his letter to the ISU. On the other hand, what did ISU do? No one explained questions raised. The president made a vague comment that Judges are humans and make mistakes.

Based on what you wrote, it sounds like you agree with the call because it was made by the Panel. What all I say is, if you wish to defend the Panel's call, do it more analytically so that people can understand how the tech panel made that call. In the ideal world, the ISU official, not you, should have answered.

Everyone can challenge panel's calls or judgement. That's what these boards are for. This is judged sport and inherently subjective. But that does not make the said challengers any less biased or free of subjectivity.

 

[Meoima]

As a person who knows digital graphic (I worked for a publishing house), I have to say all the images they use for media are cropped, reimaged and resized to a certain extent. Most of the time, they resize the image just to make it look better (according to their point of view). Sometimes they edit the image so it would be suitable for some nebulous intent. But frankly, some photoshoped images are not enough to call them proofs to prove that NYT are covering something about Sochi. Since it's very difficult to look for an image that hasn't been distorted by the media.

 

[qwertyskates]

He was confident enough to release his identity, had his letter publicly accessible, and sent his letter to the ISU. On the other hand, what did ISU do? No one explained questions raised. The president made a vague comment that Judges are humans and make mistakes.

Based on what you wrote, it sounds like you agree with the call because it was made by the Panel. What all I say is, if you wish to defend the Panel's call, do it more analytically so that people can understand how the tech panel made that call. In the ideal world, the ISU official, not you, should have answered.

You guys are sounding kinda crazy. I agreed with the Tech Panel's call not because they were the Tech Panel but because I SAW both skates. If the KSU saw the same "fraud" then they would have made a case, they surely have the means, the certified experts and the technology. They threatened to file a formal complaint didn't they? You should send all of your evidence to them, it might be more helpful than to argue with anonymous strangers who are sure where they stand. It is very telling that the KSU didn't.

 

[qwertyskates]

Everyone can challenge panel's calls or judgement. That's what these boards are for. This is judged sport and inherently subjective. But that does not make the said challengers any less biased or free of subjectivity.

Exactly. It's absurd that to them, opinions are only "objective" when they dovetail with theirs! It's rather fruitless...