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What if GPF was expanded to include highest scorers?

Lzbee

Final Flight
Joined
Sep 25, 2016
Hello folks!

With all the speculation on what the JGPF criteria will be, I was curious to see what previous years' women's GPF would look like if we had a blended field of top medalists and high scorers. So by blended field, I mean that the normal criteria still apply but the 2 (or 4 if ISU would be so generous) highest scoring skaters who are not already eligible are also selected. Kind of like wildcard choices.

Below, I have a table of the top 12 total scorers for the past 4 GPFs. Unfortunately, the table doesn't paste over from excel with formatting so I've had to make do. Apologies if it's difficult to read!

Key:
Bold - wildcard entry
Bold italics - expanded wildcard (if ISU gave us 4)
Orange italics - just missed out
Red - withdrawn

19/20 seasonTotal18/19 seasonTotal17/18 seasonTotal16/17 seasonTotal
Alena Kostornaia
476​
Satoko Miyahara
439.18​
Evgenia Medvedeva
455.6
Evgenia Medvedeva
442.19​
Alexandra Trusova
475.49​
Alina Zagitova
438.24​
Carolina Kostner
428.22​
Anna Pogorilaya
426.07​
Rika Kihira
462.17​
Rika Kihira
430.23​
Alina Zagitova
427.68​
Kaetlyn Osmond
402.45​
Anna Shcherbakova
453.8​
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
422.34​
Wakaba Higuchi
419.69​
Elena Radionova
401.5​
Evgenia Medvedeva
435.38
Kaori Sakamoto
411.32​
Kaetlyn Osmond
419.68​
Maria Sotskova
396.23​
Alina Zagitova
434.05​
Mai Mihara
407.01
Satoko Miyahara
405.83​
Satoko Miyahara
390.08​
Bradie Tennell
427.45​
Sofia Samodurova
396.71​
Polina Tsurskaya
405.75
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
380.56
Mariah Bell
418.86
Evgenia Medvedeva
390.72
Kaori Sakamoto
404.59
Mai Mihara
380.2
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
414.77
Bradie Tennell
390.67
Mai Mihara
404.24
Wakaba Higuchi
379.67
Young You
409.3
Mariah Bell
389.21
Elena Radionova
402.34
Gabrielle Daleman
378.73
Satoko Miyahara
403.6
Stanislava Konstantinova
387.24
Maria Sotskova
401.3​
Ashley Wagner
377.82
Kaori Sakamoto
401.71
Eunsoo Lim
381.94
Gabrielle Daleman
385.97
Karen Chen
357.84

Note that we have to go all the way back to 16/17 season to see all 6 of the top scorers at the GPF!

In 17/18 season, Evgenia withdrew which allowed Satoko in, who had 1st/5th. Maria Sotskova was incredibly lucky with her GP assignments and actually had 2nd/2nd despite being further down in the total score rankings. It worked out for RusFed though as Maria came 2nd at GPF that year.

On the opposite side, Mai Mihara was incredibly unlucky and missed out 3 times, 2 times if ISU only have 2 wildcards but she again would miss out by 0.35 points :(

What do people think? Is it time to expand the GPF field? With the boom in Russian figure skating, I imagine it won't be too difficult to sell tickets to cover the cost (at least for womens!).
 

Skatesocs

Final Flight
Joined
May 16, 2020
Ideally, yes.

Looking at the table, though, shows just how easily the politics will take over the selection process. It does even now, but I can do without the nonsensical "battle of the overscoring federations" which will be at an all-time high with this change.
 

el henry

Go have some cake. And come back with jollity.
Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 3, 2014
Country
United-States
Thank you for creating the chart.

This is a judged sport.
There is no flipping way (hahahaha yes that was deliberate) to come up with a completely fair and objective metric. Or a "more fair" or "more objective" metric. (Well, I suppose coin toss or darts would be less objective ;). But medalists, high scorers, all have equal plusses and equal minuses.)

That said, I am always for more skaters, should feds be able to host them, so bring it on. đź‘Ť
 

Mawwerg

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 8, 2014
I like these expanded fields. Even top 12 looks strong enough to perform in an elite competition that time.
 

Dreamer57

Record Breaker
Joined
May 20, 2018
I like this idea too. I think it is good to include a high scorer who perhaps missed out on a medal in a packed field.

If this was applied to last season's GPF we could have seen T/M in pairs and G/F in ice dance, which I think is not too dissimilar from the placements rile anyway.
 

LiamV426

On the Ice
Joined
Mar 21, 2018
Country
Scotland
Personally I'm fine with the placements being used to determine who makes the final.

*But* I'd love for them to allow the Top 12 skaters to qualify for the Final. Top 6 has always felt too little to me and makes the competition too short. 12 would make things more interesting and unpredictable. Plus right now if someone has one "off" competition it leaves them with little to no room to make up for it later even if they win their next GP (example: Javi Fernandez in 2017/18 who came 6th and 1st, placing 8th in qualifying overall). Having more places available would give skaters more motivation, knowing that one bad competition hasn't completely ruined their chances.
 

Amei

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 11, 2013
Before I would want to see them go with the 'highest scorers' because of the reason stated by el henry, I would like to see them go with all of the medalists are given an automatic berth to the Final, I think that would only end up adding another 2-4 skaters to the field at the final than what we see with the current selection process. And honestly it might be a bit more 'fair'; in 2019 we saw Bradie get to the Final with a second and fourth place finish while Tuktamysheva who finished third at both her GP events did not. Yes there would probably still be the ability for some shenanigans but less likely than going with the highest scores.
 

yume

🍉
Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 11, 2016
This is a good idea. Those who compete in way too harshly scored events like Sotskova in 2017 (skate Canada AKA a replica of hell), can be saved by placements. While the chronic unlucky ones like Mihara (girl always compete in the most packed events) can be saved by scores.
 

Jeanie19

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 20, 2017
Country
United-States
Hello folks!

With all the speculation on what the JGPF criteria will be, I was curious to see what previous years' women's GPF would look like if we had a blended field of top medalists and high scorers. So by blended field, I mean that the normal criteria still apply but the 2 (or 4 if ISU would be so generous) highest scoring skaters who are not already eligible are also selected. Kind of like wildcard choices.

Below, I have a table of the top 12 total scorers for the past 4 GPFs. Unfortunately, the table doesn't paste over from excel with formatting so I've had to make do. Apologies if it's difficult to read!

Key:
Bold - wildcard entry
Bold italics - expanded wildcard (if ISU gave us 4)
Orange italics - just missed out
Red - withdrawn

19/20 seasonTotal18/19 seasonTotal17/18 seasonTotal16/17 seasonTotal
Alena Kostornaia
476​
Satoko Miyahara
439.18​
Evgenia Medvedeva
455.6
Evgenia Medvedeva
442.19​
Alexandra Trusova
475.49​
Alina Zagitova
438.24​
Carolina Kostner
428.22​
Anna Pogorilaya
426.07​
Rika Kihira
462.17​
Rika Kihira
430.23​
Alina Zagitova
427.68​
Kaetlyn Osmond
402.45​
Anna Shcherbakova
453.8​
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
422.34​
Wakaba Higuchi
419.69​
Elena Radionova
401.5​
Evgenia Medvedeva
435.38
Kaori Sakamoto
411.32​
Kaetlyn Osmond
419.68​
Maria Sotskova
396.23​
Alina Zagitova
434.05​
Mai Mihara
407.01
Satoko Miyahara
405.83​
Satoko Miyahara
390.08​
Bradie Tennell
427.45​
Sofia Samodurova
396.71​
Polina Tsurskaya
405.75
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
380.56
Mariah Bell
418.86
Evgenia Medvedeva
390.72
Kaori Sakamoto
404.59
Mai Mihara
380.2
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
414.77
Bradie Tennell
390.67
Mai Mihara
404.24
Wakaba Higuchi
379.67
Young You
409.3
Mariah Bell
389.21
Elena Radionova
402.34
Gabrielle Daleman
378.73
Satoko Miyahara
403.6
Stanislava Konstantinova
387.24
Maria Sotskova
401.3​
Ashley Wagner
377.82
Kaori Sakamoto
401.71
Eunsoo Lim
381.94
Gabrielle Daleman
385.97
Karen Chen
357.84

Note that we have to go all the way back to 16/17 season to see all 6 of the top scorers at the GPF!

In 17/18 season, Evgenia withdrew which allowed Satoko in, who had 1st/5th. Maria Sotskova was incredibly lucky with her GP assignments and actually had 2nd/2nd despite being further down in the total score rankings. It worked out for RusFed though as Maria came 2nd at GPF that year.

On the opposite side, Mai Mihara was incredibly unlucky and missed out 3 times, 2 times if ISU only have 2 wildcards but she again would miss out by 0.35 points :(

What do people think? Is it time to expand the GPF field? With the boom in Russian figure skating, I imagine it won't be too difficult to sell tickets to cover the cost (at least for womens!).
I think there should be at least 2 wildcards based on score. Of course, that would have meant my favorites Evgenia and Mai would have made it .
 

Jontor

Medalist
Joined
Jan 18, 2018
Country
Sweden
Hello folks!

With all the speculation on what the JGPF criteria will be, I was curious to see what previous years' women's GPF would look like if we had a blended field of top medalists and high scorers. So by blended field, I mean that the normal criteria still apply but the 2 (or 4 if ISU would be so generous) highest scoring skaters who are not already eligible are also selected. Kind of like wildcard choices.

Below, I have a table of the top 12 total scorers for the past 4 GPFs. Unfortunately, the table doesn't paste over from excel with formatting so I've had to make do. Apologies if it's difficult to read!

Key:
Bold - wildcard entry
Bold italics - expanded wildcard (if ISU gave us 4)
Orange italics - just missed out
Red - withdrawn

19/20 seasonTotal18/19 seasonTotal17/18 seasonTotal16/17 seasonTotal
Alena Kostornaia
476​
Satoko Miyahara
439.18​
Evgenia Medvedeva
455.6
Evgenia Medvedeva
442.19​
Alexandra Trusova
475.49​
Alina Zagitova
438.24​
Carolina Kostner
428.22​
Anna Pogorilaya
426.07​
Rika Kihira
462.17​
Rika Kihira
430.23​
Alina Zagitova
427.68​
Kaetlyn Osmond
402.45​
Anna Shcherbakova
453.8​
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
422.34​
Wakaba Higuchi
419.69​
Elena Radionova
401.5​
Evgenia Medvedeva
435.38
Kaori Sakamoto
411.32​
Kaetlyn Osmond
419.68​
Maria Sotskova
396.23​
Alina Zagitova
434.05​
Mai Mihara
407.01
Satoko Miyahara
405.83​
Satoko Miyahara
390.08​
Bradie Tennell
427.45​
Sofia Samodurova
396.71​
Polina Tsurskaya
405.75
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
380.56
Mariah Bell
418.86
Evgenia Medvedeva
390.72
Kaori Sakamoto
404.59
Mai Mihara
380.2
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
414.77
Bradie Tennell
390.67
Mai Mihara
404.24
Wakaba Higuchi
379.67
Young You
409.3
Mariah Bell
389.21
Elena Radionova
402.34
Gabrielle Daleman
378.73
Satoko Miyahara
403.6
Stanislava Konstantinova
387.24
Maria Sotskova
401.3​
Ashley Wagner
377.82
Kaori Sakamoto
401.71
Eunsoo Lim
381.94
Gabrielle Daleman
385.97
Karen Chen
357.84

Note that we have to go all the way back to 16/17 season to see all 6 of the top scorers at the GPF!

In 17/18 season, Evgenia withdrew which allowed Satoko in, who had 1st/5th. Maria Sotskova was incredibly lucky with her GP assignments and actually had 2nd/2nd despite being further down in the total score rankings. It worked out for RusFed though as Maria came 2nd at GPF that year.

On the opposite side, Mai Mihara was incredibly unlucky and missed out 3 times, 2 times if ISU only have 2 wildcards but she again would miss out by 0.35 points :(

What do people think? Is it time to expand the GPF field? With the boom in Russian figure skating, I imagine it won't be too difficult to sell tickets to cover the cost (at least for womens!).
Great post! I don't think expanding the GPF is anything that the ISU are considering right now. The finals consists of 8 events, if expanding, that means a lot of extra time for doubling the warm-ups, ice resurfacing etc.
 

Amei

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 11, 2013
Great post! I don't think expanding the GPF is anything that the ISU are considering right now. The finals consists of 8 events, if expanding, that means a lot of extra time for doubling the warm-ups, ice resurfacing etc.

Well if time is a factor, they could always do the SP as an elimination round and have only like the top 5 or 6 skaters advance to the FS.
 
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