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2014 Cup of China Ladies Free Skate 11/08
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I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and not speculate, I've always gotten the vibe that she's super introverted anyway, she was probably focused on her bad performance and forgot. It is strange that after being on the GP circuit for 2 years that she forgot but who knows what happened, it's disrespectful but I'm just an outsider. Once I forgot about a midterm, had to go to the professor and apologize to get the weight moved to my final. If Yulia gives a sincere apology and never does it again, I will forgive her.
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Indeed, she does not. "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone." :yes:
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Oh please, to read your post you'd think she was openly doping in the Kiss and Cry. Give it a rest.
The only reason given so far for Lipnitskaya missing the medal ceremony is that she was at the hotel and unaware of when it was. The source of this report is working in an official capacity with the ISU. For all we know that might be exactly what happened - normally medal ceremonies are not held so late and after all the events are done, she may well have made an honest mistake. Or not. But the entire discussion about it in this thread is people making assumptions and attributing motives to her that could be entirely untrue. This reflects poorly on the people making accusations more than it does on Lipnitskaya.
And referring to her as "Sweetie Pie" is stupid.
Nobody deserves hate :angelface:
Agree, but being a teenager isn't an excuse for her misconduct, is it? right.
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I've made no excuses....I just said we should wait and see what she says herself before declaring her an outcast unfit to wear knife boots
I've made no excuses....I just said we should wait and see what she says herself before declaring her an outcast unfit to wear knife boots
I know you don't, but there are PLENTY others who are making lame excuses for her misconduct, one claims it's due to her age. Not knowing when the ceremony will take place is a lame excuse and so are other excuses, unless it's medical related.
First, I haven't seen one person say they are "without sin" or even that they would have handled the situation differently. More importantly, Julia's actions are being discussed in the context of GP figure skating and the public reception she chose not to partake in (or "forgot") . Whether those commenting either in support or in criticism of her have made mistakes in their own lives is wholly irrelevant. I really doubt any other skater would be given the free pass so many want to give this "devastated little girl"/Olympic level professional athlete. If it were Gracie, people would probably be demanding her head on a silver platter.
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I don't disagree and I've even wondered myself if it we're Polina how this would play out. Honestly that's neither here nor there so I've left the made up situation idea to discuss a real one aside until now. TBH 100% honest....and based on post history....I think the people sticking up for her, people I don't see often in YL's Fanpage, would defend most other skaters. I know I would :yes: I really think the people who defend her are genuinely worried about her as a person and less about the PR angle. Is that fair to say?
Just watched the competition and I would've given Kanako the silver and Yulia bronze at best. The latter really benefited from reputation to stay in silver medal position with that disastrous FS. Not her fault though. Really enjoyed Polina's FS. Lovely, ethereal choreography. It fit the fairy/ Tinkerbell program and most importantly, that type of music and choreography really suited her. I especially loved her twizzles and changed edge Bielmann!
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Let me see if I get this straight: Julia skipped out on a medal ceremony. Extremely poor sportsmanship. Very bad taste. Maybe she has a legitimate medical excuse that we have not heard yet. I am willing to wait and see. But without a medical excuse, nothing but nothing excuses the disrespect to her fellow competitors. She could always go to the ceremony and do a Mikayla Moroney. But she should go.
And those of us who legitimately criticize Julia for poor sportsmanship are:
1. beating up on a poor defenseless 16 year old girl: Huh??? she is an elite athlete. If 16 year olds perform at senior elite level, then they should be able to psychologically accept legitimate criticism of their actions.
2. she was devastated by being overscored/she was devastated by losing: see Mikayla <sp?> Moroney.
3. we can't criticize her because we have not walked a mile in her moccasins: in that case, why do discussion fora exist? I am not an elite figure skater, and I criticize plenty.
4. we are "piling on" by not "letting it go" : I can't speak to anyone else, but I would never have visited the ladies' LP forum (and sure haven't read 614 posts) without this issue. I haven't watched any of the ladies' free skates because I frankly don't care. (except for the GPF predictions game
) But the fragile flower who everyone is hating on beyond reason for a tiny little misstep that any 16 year old girl could make. No, I don't buy that. And maybe that's why I am interested to see what the explanation is.
And those of us who legitimately criticize Julia for poor sportsmanship are:
1. beating up on a poor defenseless 16 year old girl: Huh??? she is an elite athlete. If 16 year olds perform at senior elite level, then they should be able to psychologically accept legitimate criticism of their actions.
2. she was devastated by being overscored/she was devastated by losing: see Mikayla <sp?> Moroney.
3. we can't criticize her because we have not walked a mile in her moccasins: in that case, why do discussion fora exist? I am not an elite figure skater, and I criticize plenty.
4. we are "piling on" by not "letting it go" : I can't speak to anyone else, but I would never have visited the ladies' LP forum (and sure haven't read 614 posts) without this issue. I haven't watched any of the ladies' free skates because I frankly don't care. (except for the GPF predictions game
) But the fragile flower who everyone is hating on beyond reason for a tiny little misstep that any 16 year old girl could make. No, I don't buy that. And maybe that's why I am interested to see what the explanation is.
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Wouldn't a bronze or gold platter be more appropriate for Gracie?
If anything I think people would be worse to other skaters. Lipnitskaia has the reputation for being hard on herself so it is believable she would be upset with herself. I think for a lot of other skaters, more people would see it more as sour grapes over not winning.
It is what it is. People can get things twisted in in their heads strangely. But to me, it is still unprofessional to miss something like that. I hope in the future she and her coach program the schedule into her phone from day one and set alarm reminders from day one to go off and tell her to get her butt where it needs to be. Of course if someone wants to forget, they may still find a way.
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I join you in hoping that an apology from YL is forthcoming. [ETA, to be 100% clear: I mean an apology for missing the medal ceremony. Not an apology for her FS.]
I agree with all the comments about everyone making mistakes, living in glass houses, etc. -- but at the same time, a few words of apology do not seem like too much to expect of someone of any age.
(BTW: the tweet did not say that she "forgot.")
The schedules showing the time of the medal ceremonies were public knowledge. And Team YL left the venue knowing that the ceremony had not yet taken place.
If an honest mistake occurred, it would mean that it never crossed the mind of anyone on Team YL to check what time YL should return for the ceremony.
And it would mean that even with everyone on Team YL upset after her FS, they were able to handle the logistics of getting her back to the hotel. And yet over the next several hours, they were unable to give a moment's thought to the schedule for the medal ceremony.
"Or not" is the more likely scenario, IMO.
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Let me see if I get this straight: Julia skipped out on a medal ceremony. Extremely poor sportsmanship. Very bad taste. Maybe she has a legitimate medical excuse that we have not heard yet. I am willing to wait and see. But without a medical excuse, nothing but nothing excuses the disrespect to her fellow competitors. She could always go to the ceremony and do a Mikayla Moroney. But she should go.
4. we are "piling on" by not "letting it go" : I can't speak to anyone else, but I would never have visited the ladies' LP forum (and sure haven't read 614 posts) without this issue. I haven't watched any of the ladies' free skates because I frankly don't care. (except for the GPF predictions game
I get the feeling that if they come out and say she was receiving medical treatment or maybe she got herself worked up enough where she got physically ill (I've done that before - self-induced stress is awful) all the majority people on this board will say is they are lying and made up something to erase bad press.
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To a degree you are right. Which is why it is best to not make excuses and avoid the issues. Just be honest. Had they just said "she was vomiting in her hotel room" very little more would have been said. Part of the problem is not just her missing it, but how it was handled really could have been better. In some ways, the avoidance is just shooting themselves in the foot.
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I wouldn't. I can honestly imagine Julia getting so upset she'd need medical treatment, based on what I've heard about her dedication/perfectionism. And I can imagine the team being too worried about her at that time to forget about medals until contacted by officials about why they're not at the venue yet.
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Her last two ceremonies were at Worlds (right after the free skate) and Sochi (next day ceremony). I can see how there might have been a mistake, especially if she was upset after her free skate.The schedules showing the time of the medal ceremonies were public knowledge. And Team YL left the venue knowing that the ceremony had not yet taken place.
If an honest mistake occurred, it would mean that it never crossed the mind of anyone on Team YL to check what time YL should return for the ceremony.
And it would mean that even with everyone on Team YL upset after her FS, they were able to handle the logistics of getting her back to the hotel. And yet over the next several hours, they were unable to give a moment's thought to the schedule for the medal ceremony.
"Or not" is the more likely scenario, IMO.
So yes, I'm going to trust Tatjana Flade on this one rather than posters on GS. Either what she wrote is what happened, or there's a more serious issue and she's protecting Lipnitskaya's privacy. Both scenarios strike me as more likely than some of what has been suggested in this thread.
This is such a stupid controversy. The more important issue out of this event is that the ISU needs a policy regarding possible concussions.
