YES, no one know why she didn't attend, but YES it is not because of any medical related issue because her team said they simply didn't know. Everything else is going to be a lame excuse so there is no point on waiting for her "official" statement. Except, I'll just wait for an official statement from ISU since she obviously broke the code of ethics
2014 Cup of China Ladies Free Skate 11/08
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Enough of this rubbish.
Seriously.
She made a mistake, She's forgiven by all of us, She's human,
But the team must answer for that mistake, They must.
And please stop implying we're hatin' on her and always have, You're just fishing for excuses.
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Same here! Some people have their complaints about it, but for me it's just: Wow! http://binaryapi.ap.org/6bb53b1f983e420f90b86baae4773d1e/940x.jpg
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If I do something very stupid, I expect getting scolded for it. I expect people being mad at me about it. I don't go "Oh you've probably done something very wrong in your life as well". Two wrongs don't make a right. She and her team needs to deal with the consequences. Getting hate on forums is a consequence. A justified one in my opinion.
Professional athletes have responsibilities. If they cannot handle them, they can freely retire.
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No one deserves hate. No one.
Have you read the forum guidelines by the way?
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?18607 :yes:
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No one deserves hate. No one.
Have you read the forum guidelines by the way?
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?18607 :yes:
Suddenly we're all about guidelines? :yay:
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Well, not exactly. The ISU does have a lengthy Code of Ethics (about conflicts of interest on the part of judges, etc.), but what Julia did is violate the following expectation on the part of the ISU for Grand Prix participants.
I am sure we are all eagerly awaiting the decision of said Members. We can start a new thread to discus whether the amount was too little or too much. :yes:
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If that's some clever cut at me about this situation you're way off base. I've never disputed Yulia had a contract obligation nor have I said she doesn't deserve a penalty. Check my history. I don't see what else can be done than whatever the ISU decides is appropriate. It's their cross to bear if they let this go or have inside info on any medical/safety issues. So yeah I'm about the guidelines.
What is the goal of this crusade anyway? I support anything and as far as I've read here so does everyone else, the ISU decides is in the best interest of the sport/organizers and the most appropriate way to handle it. What I don't support are any fines/penalties not already in her signed contract. This includes hate. And I don't know what else people want.
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There are some people here who have simply expressed their legimit opinion and I don't refer to them here.
But "a few" posters here sinply do not like this skater and just take the situation as a great opportunity to force their hatred onto others,
and it shows a lot who simply dislikes the wrong behavior and who simply dislikes Lipnitskaya.
Imagine if Adelina Sotnikova had done that!?
Hell would have broken loose!
And if Jason Brown had done it?
Maybe a few complaints but it wouldn't have been a big deal.
And if Yulia does it?
It causes these kinds of fights since she polarizes. There are people who adore her and there are people who 'hate' her, no matter what.
They all would have done the same thing: didn't attend a ceremony.
But there would be very different reactions.
Can't we get over it?
But "a few" posters here sinply do not like this skater and just take the situation as a great opportunity to force their hatred onto others,
and it shows a lot who simply dislikes the wrong behavior and who simply dislikes Lipnitskaya.
Imagine if Adelina Sotnikova had done that!?
Hell would have broken loose!
And if Jason Brown had done it?
Maybe a few complaints but it wouldn't have been a big deal.
And if Yulia does it?
It causes these kinds of fights since she polarizes. There are people who adore her and there are people who 'hate' her, no matter what.
They all would have done the same thing: didn't attend a ceremony.
But there would be very different reactions.
Can't we get over it?
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What is your source for this information?
Smh at all the bile against Yulia missing the medal ceremony. So she missed it. Life goes on. Much ado about nothing. On to the next.
Pretty much this. I don't why the professional internet hyperventilaters are so keen on feigning indignation and stirring up controversy over every little thing. (I remember a similar kerfuffle when Sotnikova apparently left early during a post-skate interview at Sochi. How can the new Olympic champion so blatantly disrespect the past champion?!? How can figure skating and civilization survive this breach of protocol?!? etc. etc. etc.) Other than the aforementioned tweet, we don't really know why Lipnitskaia missed the medal ceremony, yet people are so quick to ascribe malice and self-centeredness to her. For all we know she might have gone back to her hotel to have a good cry and take a nap (common after emotional events) and her team didn't think to check up on her for the awards ceremony until it was too late. Yes the award times are publicly posted, but do you really think this type of minutiae will be at the forefront of skater's minds at each minute when they go to these events? (Similarly, do people think Hanyu was on priceline.com checking the best prices for plane tickets back to Japan while he was in the hospital? Rather than other people arranging his affairs for him?) Apparently some of the people posting here have never missed an appointment.
Certainly if word comes out that she had locked herself in her hotel room and was refusing to come out even with her coach banging on the door and pleading with her, she deserves scorn coming her way, and regardless of the circumstances, if the ISU determines that it wasn't an ISU-permitted excuse then she deserves whatever punishment the ISU votes her way (lose her prize money, etc.). But we don't really know yet why she missed the ceremony. So I'd say hold off on the pitchforks until we get more information about it. Although I note with interest the overlap (or lack thereof) of posters who immediately condemn Lipnitskaia to a life of shame over missing an awards ceremony yet was practically demanding video evidence of money changing hands before accepting that there may have been any judging inconsistencies at Sochi -- or the converse.
Maybe my memory is bad, but I don't know if past "2nd place" ceremonies went off without a hitch either. Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't they delay the Sochi awards for a while because Yuna was still crying (though for a different reason)? If so, then it was a case of the mountain moving to Buddha sort of situation (she made it because the officials were waiting for her, rather than the other way around). And one could argue that the only reason Plushenko bothered showing up (other than contractual obligations) was to do this.
How exactly am I being delusional? The fact that I mentioned how athletes twice her age have done much worse? Or the fact that this gives haters another reason to bash her? It’s one thing to say that someone did something wrong, and another to completely take it out there to a whole new level and scream “bloody murder!” Whatever, I know that even if she attend the ceremony, people would have found something else to bash her with, just like they did during Skate Canada (where she didn’t even compete).
That's what I thought too, except I came across with this in the code of ethics
Since she did not adhere to the rules in CoC..she technically violated e) which leads to P)......
Have you forgotten where you are?
It's difficult to speculate what really happened or how she feels truly about her decision to skip the ceremony. Can someone share some new facts/info instead? I'm wondering if there is any official report/statement about this (like from the ISU or Julia's side). 
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And you are wrong.
If Jason ever pulled such a horribly unsportsmanlike stunt like this, I would be very angry. And very upset. And I probably would not ever be able to look at him in the same way ever again.
Again, I present a fact for you all. And that fact is simply: unless in an exceptional circumstance (such as knocking yourself out on another skater, I guess), attendance at the medal ceremony is COMPULSORY. You don't decide not to go because you're upset. You don't just "forget". You attend. Clearly, the Team Russia officials were able to get Liza and Maxim to the ceremony, so Team Russia knew exactly when it was.
I am really tired of the people are only complaining because it is Yulia. Yulia's former President head stated that what she did was unprecedented. I don' care who you are it is not right. Its like the Chan UBERS who are saying no one can complain about inflation because of Hanyu's scores. Lets ignore the fact that people were complaining about Hanyu. I don't care who you are I expect you to attend medal ceremonies. And no I don't enjoy watching Hanyu fall
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Actually now the reason she didn't attend it's quite irrelevant. Maybe she was angry at her herself for that horrible skate, maybe she didn't think she deserved a medal (will she give up the points as well?), maybe she thought she deserved more, maybe she was upset she lost to another Russian girl, maybe she didn't want to miss her favourite show. Who cares. Unless it was a healthy problem of hers or someone very close to her, that was an unprofessional and childish behaviour (and not because she's 16, she's not a child anymore and besides even grown up people can show childish attitude). We can understand her maybe, but not justify. If that's harsh to you I'm sorry but that's the way it is. Oh and obviously nobody's gonna mark her for life after this. Things get fixed, cleared out and we move on. But obviously something has to happen before.
Here I translated a post written by a Chinese skating fan regarding Yulia on the night she missed awards ceremony:
"On Saturday night, I returned to hotel earlier without watching Pairs game, feeling sad about Hanyu's incident. I was sitting with my friends in the hotel's lobby when I found Yulia appeared. She was in Russian uniform with her skating boots in hands，and her hair was wet. I knew she was better not to be disturbed as she didn't look very well after such a bad skate earlier that night. Thus I stayed still with my friends but kept an eye on her. "
"She stayed in the lobby for a moment before Eteri (her coach) appeared. They went out of hotel and got a taxi. I happened to get a phone call at that moment and watched the clock. It was around 10:30 pm. (BTW. awards ceremony was scheduled at 10:30pm.) While I was talking to my friend through phone, Yulia and Eteri, and another guy in suit, were having trouble to make decision. Door of taxi was opened and closed for several times, but no one got in. I stayed in the lobby and looked at them, as I didn't understand Russian I couldn't guess out what they were doing. In less than five minutes, Eteri rushed into hotel with no expression on face, with Yulia following her obediently. I tried to take a picture, but she found out and stared at me lol~ "
"I stayed in the lobby for a while and found several pair skaters came back to hotel. I thought the awards ceremony was over and thus returned to my room around 11pm "
According to the post, it seemed to me that Yulia did not "refuse" to attend the ceremony as lots of people here thought. Instead of being "dragged" out of hotel, she actually followed her coach throughly according to what the skating fan saw. It was more likely Yulia and her coach happened to forget or mistaken the time of ceremony, and when they were informed it was already too late. They got a taxi around 10:30pm, but the ceremony was scheduled just AT 10:30pm. They found they wasn't able to arrive in time, then gave up.
"On Saturday night, I returned to hotel earlier without watching Pairs game, feeling sad about Hanyu's incident. I was sitting with my friends in the hotel's lobby when I found Yulia appeared. She was in Russian uniform with her skating boots in hands，and her hair was wet. I knew she was better not to be disturbed as she didn't look very well after such a bad skate earlier that night. Thus I stayed still with my friends but kept an eye on her. "
"She stayed in the lobby for a moment before Eteri (her coach) appeared. They went out of hotel and got a taxi. I happened to get a phone call at that moment and watched the clock. It was around 10:30 pm. (BTW. awards ceremony was scheduled at 10:30pm.) While I was talking to my friend through phone, Yulia and Eteri, and another guy in suit, were having trouble to make decision. Door of taxi was opened and closed for several times, but no one got in. I stayed in the lobby and looked at them, as I didn't understand Russian I couldn't guess out what they were doing. In less than five minutes, Eteri rushed into hotel with no expression on face, with Yulia following her obediently. I tried to take a picture, but she found out and stared at me lol~ "
"I stayed in the lobby for a while and found several pair skaters came back to hotel. I thought the awards ceremony was over and thus returned to my room around 11pm "
According to the post, it seemed to me that Yulia did not "refuse" to attend the ceremony as lots of people here thought. Instead of being "dragged" out of hotel, she actually followed her coach throughly according to what the skating fan saw. It was more likely Yulia and her coach happened to forget or mistaken the time of ceremony, and when they were informed it was already too late. They got a taxi around 10:30pm, but the ceremony was scheduled just AT 10:30pm. They found they wasn't able to arrive in time, then gave up.
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That sounds very unprofessional,
I mean, would they go at it the same way if this was a SP or a practice?
I mean, would they go at it the same way if this was a SP or a practice?
