Random Figure Skating Questions

[BravesSkateFan]

Does anyone know what the tiebreakers to get into the GPF were prior to CoP? Currently after highest finish the next tie-breaker is cumulative number of points, and most other tie-breakers are based on points. Just curious what the tie-breakers were during 6.0.

 

[ice coverage]

Ok stick with me for a moment on the trail.

According to this PDF that appears reasonably trustworthy, athletes are directed to www.globaldro.com for reference on drugs. You have to agree to their terms to view stuff (likely a CYI of "don't blame us if you test positive type thing", but you can run a search with variables like athlete or coach, and by sport. ...

FYI, WADA's official list of prohibited drugs is readily available on its website.

 

[Icey]

FYI, WADA's official list of prohibited drugs is readily available on its website.

Nicotine is listed?????

 

[ice coverage]

Nicotine is listed?????

FWIW:

* The following substances included in the 2014 Monitoring Program (bupropion, caffeine, nicotine, phenylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradrol, synephrine) are not considered as Prohibited Substances.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-Revised-2014-Prohibited-List-EN.PDF​

* Bupropion, caffeine, nicotine, phenylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradol and synephrine: These substances are included in the 2015 Monitoring Program, and are not considered Prohibited Substances.

http://list.wada-ama.org/list/s6-stimulants/​

 

[SoundtracksOnIce]

Of course, the other complication here is that common side effects of benzos are drowziness, dizziness, sedation, and loss of balance. Not necessarily what you want if you're on a slippery surface with narrow blades strapped to your feet. In fact, I suspect the side effects are part of the reason they're not banned - not really a competitive advantage.

I take it for anxiety and I actually never have those side effects, but I also have Asperger's Syndrome and that tends to make me more resistant to sleeping meds in general. It's the same with cold & flu mess. They do what else they're supposed to, but I don't get tired.

 

[SoundtracksOnIce]

Forgive me if this is dense, but I was just retreading Scott & Tessa's book and there was mention of one practice session at an event being for OD & Compulsories only. I don't understand why it matters or makes a difference - other than when the music is playing, who is even going to notice if you do your free dance instead? Do singles and pairs have designated program practices too?

 

[grantrf98]

This might have been asked before, maybe not. But for the Grand Prix, how do they choose the city for each event? (For example: SA in Chicago. CoC in Shanghai.) Is it randomly selected or is there a pattern?

 

[IcyEdges]

Forgive me if this is dense, but I was just retreading Scott & Tessa's book and there was mention of one practice session at an event being for OD & Compulsories only. I don't understand why it matters or makes a difference - other than when the music is playing, who is even going to notice if you do your free dance instead? Do singles and pairs have designated program practices too?

Yes.

 

[Mathman]

This might have been asked before, maybe not. But for the Grand Prix, how do they choose the city for each event? (For example: SA in Chicago. CoC in Shanghai.) Is it randomly selected or is there a pattern?

I think cities present bids to the national skating federation that hosts the event. In the case of Skate America, at least, i am pretty sure this how it goes. The USFSA considers such factors as the city's facilities and amenities and especially whether they have put together a robust and realistic financial package, including public support and local sponsors. There is also an effort to spread it around geographically if possible.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if some years nobody really wants to host it and the USFSA has to twist someone's arm or sweeten the pot to come up with a proposal. In other countries there may be more central planning from the Federation than in the U.S.

 

[grantrf98]

I think cities present bids to the national skating federation that hosts the event. In the case of Skate America, at least, i am pretty sure this how it goes. The USFSA considers such factors as the city's facilities and amenities and especially whether they have put together a robust and realistic financial package, including public support and local sponsors. There is also an effort to spread it around geographically if possible.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if some years nobody really wants to host it and the USFSA has to twist someone's arm or sweeten the pot to come up with a proposal. In other countries there may be more central planning from the Federation than in the U.S.

Thanks! Do you think California will hold Skate America in the next few years?

 

[altuixde]

Here's another question: How can I watch figure skating in the Philippines? I may be going there soon and if I go I'll stay there until late March. I could watch US Nationals on Ice Network, but I think all the other events I want to see are blacked out on Ice Network outside the US. So what options are there?

 

[chezzu]

Here's another question: How can I watch figure skating in the Philippines? I may be going there soon and if I go I'll stay there until late March. I could watch US Nationals on Ice Network, but I think all the other events I want to see are blacked out on Ice Network outside the US. So what options are there?

I'm from the Philippines. The ISU stream of the GP series works perfectly fine from here (provided that you find a place with stable internet connection), so if the same stream is available for 4cc/euros/worlds then you're good to go Hardly anything is geoblocked from here, so I think you'll be able to watch the different Nationals too once people post streams

 

[altuixde]

Thanks for your help, chezzu! Do you think the ISU streams for the grand prix final will still be available one or two weeks after the event is over? The flight is sometime next week, so I'm leaving the US before the GPF is shown on US TV (Dec 21) and I'll be arriving in the Philippines after Dec 14 (last day of GPF).

Edit: Ah, I just checked out the ISU site and they still have some of the older streams, so I'm guessing that the ISU GPF streams will still be there when I get to the Philippines.

 

[SoundtracksOnIce]

Yes.

But why does it matter what you practice when? If you think your LP or FD needs more practice than your short, it's just your short that will pay the price if it hasnt beenracticed enough. It's not like gymnastics for example where spending extra time on beam means another competitor can't use it. You can be training your SP while I do my LP and there's no conflict.

 

[KwanIsALegend]

Yes it's much harder to do the triple-triple without any steps in between, because it requires not only stability, speed, and flow, but also tons of consistency to ensure that you can always add that second triple. When you do a step in between, that step can really help mask if you have a landing that's slightly off, so it's easier to do the second triple even if the first one isn't perfect. So the jump sequence (with a step or turn in between) awards fewer points and get 80% the total value.

Good information, Thank you!

 

[kinoriH]

Ok so I don't know where else to ask this.. but I've been looking EVERYWHERE for a parcticular Sochi video.
Q - Does anybody have Volosozhar/Trankov sochi FS by NBC? With the same commentators like in Yuna's FS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-yYkXX2L4Y

Sorry if it's not the right thread, but if anybody has it and would like to share... I'd be more than happy!

 

[Mrs. P]

Thanks! Do you think California will hold Skate America in the next few years?

2011 Skate America was in Ontario. It's not crazy for an event to go back to a region relatively quickly however. (2010 Skate America was in Portland; 2012 Skate America was in Seattle area. Detroit and Chicago hosted back-to-back SKams (2013 and 2014, respectively).

 

[gkelly]

But why does it matter what you practice when? If you think your LP or FD needs more practice than your short, it's just your short that will pay the price if it hasnt beenracticed enough. It's not like gymnastics for example where spending extra time on beam means another competitor can't use it. You can be training your SP while I do my LP and there's no conflict.

Basically it's about which music is played. Skaters who are practicing to the music being played get right of way.

At competitions, there are often official practices designated for short program (or CDs/ODs, before the short dance combined them). These practices may be scheduled to be shorter than other official practices later in the week designated for free programs, e.g., 40 vs. 50 minutes. Each skater gets their music played once during the official practice, in a preset order.

At the shorter practices, there may not be enough time to play everyone's long program, so they are not given that option. Their short program music will be played once, and they either skate a runthrough or partial runthrough to their music when it's played, or they don't. But they don't have the option of playing their long program music instead.

For longer practices that are scheduled before the short programs, the skaters may be given a choice of which program music they want played when it's their turn.

Obviously for the practice sessions scheduled after the short program has already taken place, everyone will have their long programs played, and the sessions are scheduled to allow enough time for that to happen.

For dance practices when there were compulsory dances and everyone skated to the same few ISU-approved music selections, in the CD-specific practice session or beginning of CD/OD practice, all the tunes that were scheduled to be used in competition would be played once. Several teams could skate the same CD at the same time. Anyone who was not working on that CD would need to yield right of way to those who were.

For the music that belongs to a specific skater or team, that skater has right of way, but it doesn't matter what the other skaters work on when their own music isn't playing.

 

[concorde]

I was noticing the Grand Prix scoring and notices that most skaters got dinged at least once with "x Credit for highlight distribution, base value multiplied by 1.1" What exactly does this mean?

For the ladies, I noticed that there were some negative scores associated with them so I assumed it was an under-rotation issue. But then with Hanyu and his 3A, I noticed that there were positive scores associated with this x. I am confused so I am hoping someone can explain this.

 

[salchowx4]

I was noticing the Grand Prix scoring and notices that most skaters got dinged at least once with "x Credit for highlight distribution, base value multiplied by 1.1" What exactly does this mean?

For the ladies, I noticed that there were some negative scores associated with them so I assumed it was an under-rotation issue. But then with Hanyu and his 3A, I noticed that there were positive scores associated with this x. I am confused so I am hoping someone can explain this.

That is the 10% bonus for jumps after the halfway point.