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Why I find Elena Radionova's spread eagle so weird? Is it because of her knees? Is it executed right?
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Now the flying camel, that's another matter altogether.
http://cdn.slidesharecdn.com/ss_thu...0076275328072-2-thumbnail-4.jpg?cb=1230069494
Not to be confused with the Sopwith Camel, the plane that Snoopy (Peanuts character) flew to defeat the Red Baron in World War I.
I read in Dick Button's book that he invented the flying entry into the camel spin and it was originally called a Button camel. But seeing as he was the first commentator for televised skating competitions in the US, he thought it would be pretentious to call it the 'Button camel' since he was commentating and instead changed the name to a 'flying camel'.
That man is a US national treasure.
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indeed it would be weird to call the move you created by your name, though. Uncle Dick is so cute.
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http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=/#/watch?v=G9dSjAdIUE4
If you are referring to the move near the end of her LP, she chooses to do do the spread eagle with bent knees, a move that the British Eurosport guys refer to as a "cantilever spread". You see it more in ice dance, where old timers refer to it as a "Besti squat," after Natalia Bestemianova. What makes a spread eagle a spread eagle is having the feet pointed in opposite dtrections, but in a straight line, regardless of what the knees are doing. If the feet are pointing in opposite directions, but are not in a straight line, it's an Ina Bauer.
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I think I saw it in the SP, probably it;s the same one at the end of her FP, it just seems she is holding it longer. Your link doesn't work for me, but I get it now. I was wondering if she had the weird (for me, of course) position on purpose or it just looked awkward for me. Sometimes she looks awkward to my unexpereinced eyes because of her knees and thin legs. I hope she grows and becomes even better.
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What is the correct pronunciation for "Bompard" (as in Trophee Eric Bompard)? As someone who studied French for 8 years, I thought the "d" was supposed to be silent. The guy in the studio with Peter Carruthers, Mr. Hummer (don't remember his first name offhand) kept pronouncing the "d." OTOH, I think he was precise in pronouncing "Barcelona" properly.
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I am wondering about this too. I've noticed the British Eurosport commentators pronounce Bompard as "Bombard" - "b" instead of "p" sound, and silent "d".
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Finally found this thread. :dance:
Can someone explain to me what SEQ means on scoresheets as was in the case of Hanyu in Sochi when he went for 3Lz-1Loop- 3S
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
http://youtu.be/hUskvEAITdE I can;t see much wrong with the sequence in the video.
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Can someone explain to me what SEQ means on scoresheets as was in the case of Hanyu in Sochi when he went for 3Lz-1Loop- 3S
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Men_FS_Scores.pdfhttp://youtu.be/hUskvEAITdE I can;t see much wrong with the sequence in the video.
hwell:
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This website has a native speaker of French saying the words "Trophée Eric Bompard."
http://fr.forvo.com/word/trophée_eric_bompard/#fr
Click on the play arrow on the map to hear the pronunciation.
The Internet still amazes me.
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This website has a native speaker of French saying the words "Trophée Eric Bompard."
http://fr.forvo.com/word/trophée_eric_bompard/#fr
Click on the play arrow on the map to hear the pronunciation.
The Internet still amazes me.
So, they are both pronouncing it incorrectly - thank you!
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Finally found this thread. :dance:
Can someone explain to me what SEQ means on scoresheets as was in the case of Hanyu in Sochi when he went for 3Lz-1Loop- 3S
http://youtu.be/hUskvEAITdE I can;t see much wrong with the sequence in the video.
+SEQ and +COMBO mean that there was some mistake in the sequence or combination, such as loss of flow, direction, rhythm, etc. In that case, it's worth 80% of the base value. Here, it was probably a loss of flow between the loop and Salchow so the Salchow is invalidated as part of the sequence.
3Lz+1Lo+3S = (6.0+0.5+4.2)1.1 = 11.77
3Lz+1Lo+SEQ = [(6.0+0.5)1.1]0.8 = 5.72
It should also receive a -1 or -2 GOE.
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I'm sorry but I think you misunderstood a little.
A combination means a series of jumps which the second/third jump was done right away with the foot you landed the preceding jump, so normally only toe loops or loops can be done as a second/third jump.
A sequence is a series of jumps done with a step between them, it allows skaters to change foot and do jumps other than toe loops or loops, but only 80% of the base value will be credited. You can see Liza does 3S+2A+SEQ in LP this season. It's not a mistake, it's intended.
1Lo which Hanyu did is actually a half-loop that enables a skater to change foot while it is considered to be a jump not a step. So it will be counted as a combination.
In Sochi, Hanyu skated too long with two feet after 1Lo, so it was not counted as a jump but rather a step. So it became a sequence not a combination.
+COMBO appears when a skater fails to do a compulsory combination in SP and does a solo jump consequently. Judges will assume that the solo jump was a combination and put +COMBO mark.
I think the rule has changed this season and now we have +REP, too, so I might be wrong about COMBO.
Edit: Sorry, I looked back at the protocol and I'm not sure why 3S was not counted while 1Lo is counted. Hope someone can help us with this
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I'm sorry but I think you misunderstood a little.
A combination means a series of jumps which the second/third jump was done right away with the foot you landed the preceding jump, so normally only toe loops or loops can be done as a second/third jump.
A sequence is a series of jumps done with a step between them, it allows skaters to change foot and do jumps other than toe loops or loops, but only 80% of the base value will be credited. You can see Liza does 3S+2A+SEQ in LP this season. It's not a mistake, it's intended.
1Lo which Hanyu did is actually a half-loop that enables a skater to change foot while it is considered to be a jump not a step. So it will be counted as a combination.
In Sochi, Hanyu skated too long with two feet after 1Lo, so it was not counted as a jump but rather a step. So it became a sequence not a combination.
+COMBO appears when a skater fails to do a compulsory combination in SP and does a solo jump consequently. Judges will assume that the solo jump was a combination and put +COMBO mark.
I think the rule has changed this season and now we have +REP, too, so I might be wrong about COMBO.
Edit: Sorry, I looked back at the protocol and I'm not sure why 3S was not counted while 1Lo is counted. Hope someone can help us with this
Maybe I misunderstand. I looked through communications and can't find any explanation regarding that notation, only for +REP. So +COMBO is only in the SP then?
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I was not expecting to be reviving this particular discussion, but in light of recent events, I have a totally different opinion of the incident now.
At the time, I felt really sorry for the skater in question. But, after watching her at the first event I have seen her compete in since it happened (her National Championships), I am starting to think that the nip slip might have been intentional.
After what happened the last time, I was surprised to see that she was wearing the exact same dress at her Nationals. And guess what. The exact same thing happened when she was doing the exact same element!
The difference this time is that the TV production team spotted it. So, when they were showing the highlights, they used a shot that was filmed from the far end of the rink for this element, and so you couldn't make anything out.
Of course, this may all be coincidence. HOWEVER, when she was coming off the ice, you could see her looking down at the offending breast a couple of times. Nothing strange there if you have just accidentally exposed more than you should have.
But, it was the expression on her face that started the alarm bells ringing in my head. When Rubleva had her incident a few years ago, she was absolutely horrified when she was coming off the ice. But this girl did not look horrified. In fact, I would say she looked smug.
And then something dawned on me.
There are lots of things about this particular routine that are pushing the boundaries. There are quite a few controversial stunts choreographed into this routine. So, is this another one?
Just out of curiosity, I decided to look back to the first performance of this routine this season, to see if the same thing had happened then. To my surprise, I found that she was wearing a different dress then (a dress which would have been impossible to pop out of). And the other stunts were not in the programme either.
Given the way the season has been going, it makes you wonder if these controversial stunts have been put in to provoke discussion, in a desperate attempt to distract from the fact that the quality of the skating hasn’t been great. :think:
Am I getting too cynical? I really hope I am!
I have always liked the skater in question. And although she has been known to post photos of herself online in which she was only wearing a bikini, I never thought she would go this far.
On the other hand, I would not put anything past one of the people she is working with. And I would not be at all surprised if all this was his idea…
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Isn't the ChSq required to be after the Stsq?
+COMBO is SP only.
With regard to +SEQ when there is a flaw in attempted jump combination, the jump after the error is ignored by the tech panel, so that is why they listed just his first two jumps then put +SEQ. It is a different situation than someone who intentionally does a sequence because they want to do an axel after a salchow for example.
With regard to +SEQ when there is a flaw in attempted jump combination, the jump after the error is ignored by the tech panel, so that is why they listed just his first two jumps then put +SEQ. It is a different situation than someone who intentionally does a sequence because they want to do an axel after a salchow for example.
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This used to be the case, but the rule was recently changed to allow single skaters to do them in either order. As a practical matter though, it might still as well be a rule because everyone does StSq before ChSq.
