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Elizaveta's triple A

It's crazy how easy she makes it look.

I'm interested to see what approach she takes to the 3A next season. Put it in both programs or just one? It was clear from the mistake on the 3A in the SP at WTT that she doesn't lose much ground even with a fall as long as she rotates it. The 5.50 she got for the 3A(fall) was worth more than anyone else got for a clean 2A. As for the FS, maybe it's just b/c this was her 12,345th competition this season, but she looked completely exhausted by the end of that performance...and her score wasn't even all that great. Yes she probably lost about 6 points for missing the 3L and singling the 2L in her 3-jump combo, but even so I don't think it will be more beneficial to go for the 3A if that means she's going to omit the second lutz. They'll have to play around with the numbers and see what works out best.

Either way, I'm sure we'll see quite a few 3As next season from Liza...
I'm 99% certain the layout she did at WTT was just a "quick and easy" way to get the 3A out there in Japan. No way would she use it for a serious competition: she's only repeated one triple (3T), and included the 3F but not a second 3Lz (despite the 3Lz being easier for Liza, likely to net her more GOE, and having higher BV). It was a test to see how she could handle a layout with all the different triples, and she passed, for the most part (just popping the 3Lo).

I suspect that next year, she'll replace the solo 2A with a 3Lz. Taking out one of the triples might be easier, but three axels could be asking for Zayak trouble if she pops. (Another solution is to bring bring 3Lz-3T back and not do the 3S-2A SEQ).

She should probably drop the Flip from her LP since it is her weakest jump. Who knows, though, maybe she'll somehow be able to do an 8-Triple LP. I'd like to see her do the 3Axel as the second jump of the program instead of right off the top, whatever the layout will be. Give us more build up to it! It's a bit boring when both the SP and LP just start with "okay, here we go, my telegraphed 3A is coming". Not that there is much artistic clarity left in ice skating anymore, but it would be nice to at least consider the usage of the jump in the choreography.
There's no innate choreographic problem with doing the 3A up top. If the music begins with a bang, then 3A as the first element makes perfect sense. Liza's current programs just weren't designed for the 3A. Hopefully her programs next year will be.

And let's face it, pretty much every woman who has landed 3A decided to do it at the start. There's no advantage of doing it later unless you're crazy and want the halfway bonus. We shouldn't expect the layout to change--instead, we should hope they find music that works with the layout.
 
I'm 99% certain the layout she did at WTT was just a "quick and easy" way to get the 3A out there in Japan. No way would she use it for a serious competition: she's only repeated one triple (3T), and included the 3F but not a second 3Lz (despite the 3Lz being easier for Liza, likely to net her more GOE, and having higher BV). It was a test to see how she could handle a layout with all the different triples, and she passed, for the most part (just popping the 3Lo).

I suspect that next year, she'll replace the solo 2A with a 3Lz. Taking out one of the triples might be easier, but three axels could be asking for Zayak trouble if she pops. (Another solution is to bring bring 3Lz-3T back and not do the 3S-2A SEQ).


There's no innate choreographic problem with doing the 3A up top. If the music begins with a bang, then 3A as the first element makes perfect sense. Liza's current programs just weren't designed for the 3A. Hopefully her programs next year will be.

And let's face it, pretty much every woman who has landed 3A decided to do it at the start. There's no advantage of doing it later unless you're crazy and want the halfway bonus. We shouldn't expect the layout to change--instead, we should hope they find music that works with the layout.

Tuks does not seem to like jumps going off the inside edge as much. Her 3F has less flow out and the 3S sometimes go scarily tilted. The technique on the lutz and axels though are perfect. I think the 3A at the start makes sense when you are least fatigued. Mao Asada essentially gets her 3A out of the way at first go as well. Even among the guys, only Yuzuru Hanyu keeps both 3A after the halfway mark since he is really a true blue axel fanatic and he has rarely missed that jump. For ladies, only Midori Ito landed 3A near the end of her 92 Calgary Olympics LP after failing her first attempt. I don't think any female had actually landed 3A past the half way point. For Tuks, she seriously needs just a choreography with the right build up music at the start to kick off the 3A and a big crescendo for her to time to her huge lutz for good measure.
 
I'm 99% certain the layout she did at WTT was just a "quick and easy" way to get the 3A out there in Japan. No way would she use it for a serious competition: she's only repeated one triple (3T), and included the 3F but not a second 3Lz (despite the 3Lz being easier for Liza, likely to net her more GOE, and having higher BV). It was a test to see how she could handle a layout with all the different triples, and she passed, for the most part (just popping the 3Lo).

I suspect that next year, she'll replace the solo 2A with a 3Lz. Taking out one of the triples might be easier, but three axels could be asking for Zayak trouble if she pops. (Another solution is to bring bring 3Lz-3T back and not do the 3S-2A SEQ).


There's no innate choreographic problem with doing the 3A up top. If the music begins with a bang, then 3A as the first element makes perfect sense. Liza's current programs just weren't designed for the 3A. Hopefully her programs next year will be.

And let's face it, pretty much every woman who has landed 3A decided to do it at the start. There's no advantage of doing it later unless you're crazy and want the halfway bonus. We shouldn't expect the layout to change--instead, we should hope they find music that works with the layout.

Actually, Ito and Harding frequently did the 3Axel as the second jump pass. Ito did it really late into her LP at the 1992 Olympics.
 
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Actually, Ito and Harding frequently did the 3Axel as the second jump pass. Ito did it really late into her LP at the 1992 Olympics.

The 3A was Harding's second jump after the Lutz at 91 Nationals and Worlds. It was the first in her 91-92 LP and I really liked how her music (Robin Hood) built up to it, rising to a crescendo as she went for the 3A. It was awesome at 91 Skate America. When it worked it was fantastic, (too bad it all went downhill from there) maybe Liza's 3A could be worked into her program a similar way.
 
I'd love to see her pull off a 3A-3T. Again, it wouldn't probably be the optimal way to earn points but it would awesome to see.

Liza has only landed 2 triple axels in competition so far...while it would be AWESOME to see, I think she needs to get it more consistent before hand. I wouldn't put it past her though; she seems completely capable of doing a 3a-3t.
 
Tuks does not seem to like jumps going off the inside edge as much. Her 3F has less flow out and the 3S sometimes go scarily tilted. The technique on the lutz and axels though are perfect. I think the 3A at the start makes sense when you are least fatigued. Mao Asada essentially gets her 3A out of the way at first go as well. Even among the guys, only Yuzuru Hanyu keeps both 3A after the halfway mark since he is really a true blue axel fanatic and he has rarely missed that jump. For ladies, only Midori Ito landed 3A near the end of her 92 Calgary Olympics LP after failing her first attempt. I don't think any female had actually landed 3A past the half way point. For Tuks, she seriously needs just a choreography with the right build up music at the start to kick off the 3A and a big crescendo for her to time to her huge lutz for good measure.

Didn't Midori kind of "throw that in" after missing her first attempt and having a disappointing short program. She knew it was her only shot at the podium and it paid off. But I'm not sure it was planned that way.
 
Liza has only landed 2 triple axels in competition so far...while it would be AWESOME to see, I think she needs to get it more consistent before hand.

3 landed Triple Axel's in competition (SPB Cup, Worlds, WTT)... 2 in international competition?

That's 3 out of 4 jumps landed in competition, with all 3 successful elements given high GoE, and the one fall was fully rotated and worth more than any skater's 2A there. Consistency outlook is good for next season, IMO.
 
3 landed Triple Axel's in competition (SPB Cup, Worlds, WTT)... 2 in international competition?

That's 3 out of 4 jumps landed in competition, with all 3 successful elements given high GoE, and the one fall was fully rotated and worth more than any skater's 2A there. Consistency outlook is good for next season, IMO.

I agree that the consistency outlook is good, especially considering it is such a new jump for her, I think it can only get better - but isn't it 3/5 so far? The only 2 falls she's had in the entire season were on 3As, I think?
 
I agree that the consistency outlook is good, especially considering it is such a new jump for her, I think it can only get better - but isn't it 3/5 so far? The only 2 falls she's had in the entire season were on 3As, I think?

Oh yeah, I blocked that one from my mind. :o: That was the first attempt right? Even still, throwing out all these tiny events and going with 2/3 from the Worlds events, still pretty decent.
 
Oh yeah, I blocked that one from my mind. :o: That was the first attempt right? Even still, throwing out all these tiny events and going with 2/3 from the Worlds events, still pretty decent.

Oh, I think it's more than decent! And I have no worries about her - I'm sure her consistency will just get better, as she gets more... I'm not sure "comfortable" is the right word?... familiar with it.
 
Oh, I think it's more than decent! And I have no worries about her - I'm sure her consistency will just get better, as she gets more... I'm not sure "comfortable" is the right word?... familiar with it.

:yes: That's what the off-season is for, as well as the early part of the new season. I think she got the hardest part out of the way in landing the jump at Worlds and WTT. Now it's just a matter of practice and training. The next big competition is a looong time away...
 
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