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What a fascinating story! Thank you for sharing it.
When I was at Uni, I was a big fan of this German rock band. It was fronted by a teenage girl with an incredible voice. They were absolutely brilliant! But, after a few years of great success, her management advised her to ditch the band, which she did. Big mistake. Both singer and band faded into obscurity.
A couple of years ago, the singer re-appeared with a shoot for the German edition of Playboy. I was really against it, for a number of reasons. Firstly, like Liza, I had been following her career since she was 15. I had seen her grow up from a pretty teenager into a beautiful young woman. So, it was weird to get my head around her getting her bits and bobs out in a magazine.
Secondly, although she was in a rock band, traditionally a lot of the band's fanbase were girls in their pre- and early teens. I assume this was because Christina was not that much older than them, and they wanted to be like her.
It still didn't stop me buying it, though!
(Well, she had been out of the limelight for a few years, and was now attempting to make a comeback. But all the publicity for the comeback was tied in with Playboy. So, you had to go there to find anything out. And, as a fan, I wanted to know what had been going on.)
I do want to add that you have conducted yourself elegantly and respectfully during this discussion. So please do not feel afraid to speak up in the future. What you have to say is worth reading even if i feel you might be clutching your pearls a little too much. So keep saying what you say, but try to relax a little, you deserve it.
Awww, thank you StitchMonkey. That really means a lot!
As most members that were here around the time of Worlds last season will know, I really don't like getting into arguments. And I try my best to avoid them. But, when I do have to get involved, I always make an effort to try to calm things down and diffuse the situation. Sometimes it works, sometimes it makes matters worse! It all depends on who else is involved in the debate.
So, may I just take this opportunity to extend your comment towards all the other participants in this discussion. You have all conducted yourselves really well, and have avoided turning this into one of those hysterical arguments where everybody is screaming at each other.
Thank you for that.
I just love the way you wrote this comment! So re-assurring. Thank you.
You missed Tanja Szewczenko.
Didn't actually know that the first two you mentioned had done Playboy.
Ah, Kati! She was such a beautiful girl when she was competing in the 80's.
But, by the time she started doing Playboy (late 90's), she was already getting a bit too fond of the surgeon's knife. (Sorry to disappoint anybody out there that didn't realise but, even when she did her first Playboy shoot, they were not real! You can clearly see the scars. Or, so I've been told... 
)And then, of course, we have the skater (who I will not name!) who, since retiring, has very successfully reinvented herself as a nude model. To the extent that few people even realise that she was ever a competitive skater, never mind that she was actually quite good!
But, please don't joke about Liza doing it someday. Of course, given my past feelings for her, it would be crushing to see her go down that route.
Attempting to look at it from a marketing angle, Liza is too young and too successful to be doing it any time soon. It would alienate too many people.
Before last month's tournament, the previous Women's World Cup was held in Germany in 2011. Germany has always been very good at developing very strong youth football teams, and at bringing these players through the levels and into the Senior team.
In the run-up to the 2011 World Cup, five of the players from the U-23 and U-19 teams did a photoshoot for Playboy. Two of them in particular I had picked out while watching previous youth World Cups as players to watch for the future.
None of them have played in a German National team since.
Doing Playboy did not go down well with the German Federation, and it has destroyed their international careers.
Nude photoshoots are something women do when they are getting older, their profile is slipping, and they are desperate to get back into the public consciousness again. Not when they are at the height of their career. Too many risks.
So, I don't see any of our top skaters doing it any time soon. Even if the old cliché that karne brought out is true, that sex sells. It might sell, but it can also ruin your career.
And none of us want that to happen to any of our skaters.
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have just realized that "Body Issue" is a pun.
as an East Asian (my family is very conservative, with mum being a high school teacher) I can tell you I see no issue with Liza's Instagram.
