2015 Skate Canada Autumn Classic International, Oct 12 - 15

[foruiz]

Detailed results up for men.

http://skatecanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/aci2015_senior-men_sp_scores.pdf

Thank you...

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Okay I get Yuzuru is king of the ice, but with a UR quad step out and an off-kilter 3Z getting 93 points?!?!?! Geez, even Chan was never gifted that amount of inflation.

Nam should still be 2nd but not more than 3 points behind Hanyu. I hope this doesn't continue on the Grand Prix... Top competitors (Chan, Hanyu, whoever) need to not be placed so high over skaters who go clean - I mean, Nam was perfect.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Okay I get Yuzuru is king of the ice, but with a UR quad step out and an off-kilter 3Z getting 93 points?!?!?! Geez, even Chan was never gifted that amount of inflation.

Nam should still be 2nd but not more than 3 points behind Hanyu. I hope this doesn't continue on the Grand Prix... Top competitors (Chan, Hanyu, whoever) need to not be placed so high over skaters who go clean - I mean, Nam was perfect.

Sounds like an endorsement for 6.0.

 

[MaxSwagg]

Okay I get Yuzuru is king of the ice, but with a UR quad step out and an off-kilter 3Z getting 93 points?!?!?! Geez, even Chan was never gifted that amount of inflation.

Nam should still be 2nd but not more than 3 points behind Hanyu. I hope this doesn't continue on the Grand Prix... Top competitors (Chan, Hanyu, whoever) need to not be placed so high over skaters who go clean - I mean, Nam was perfect.

Makes me think of the British EuroSport guys saying "The judges are usually very, very kind to him..." And I don't think the 4T was under-rotated but I can't complain with the score.

 

[silverfoxes]

Yeah, I like Yuzuru very much but the scoring is... It's like why should anyone else even bother trying to compete, if he gets scores like this even with errors.

 

[Scout]

Okay I get Yuzuru is king of the ice, but with a UR quad step out and an off-kilter 3Z getting 93 points?!?!?! Geez, even Chan was never gifted that amount of inflation.

Nam should still be 2nd but not more than 3 points behind Hanyu. I hope this doesn't continue on the Grand Prix... Top competitors (Chan, Hanyu, whoever) need to not be placed so high over skaters who go clean - I mean, Nam was perfect.

I think I would be ok if Yuzu had a 4 point lead over Nam.

 

[andromache]

Okay I get Yuzuru is king of the ice, but with a UR quad step out and an off-kilter 3Z getting 93 points?!?!?! Geez, even Chan was never gifted that amount of inflation.

Nam should still be 2nd but not more than 3 points behind Hanyu. I hope this doesn't continue on the Grand Prix... Top competitors (Chan, Hanyu, whoever) need to not be placed so high over skaters who go clean - I mean, Nam was perfect.

I agree! (Except Patrick probably has been gifted that amount of inflation before ). Nam may not be a Hanyu or Chan in PCS, but he isn't a total slouch in SS and performance either. If Javi is getting the scores he's getting, Nam should be able to get higher PCS too. Plus that quad-triple! It's heartening to see he beat Hanyu in TES, meaning that GOE and second-half program jumps still didn't make up the difference from Hanyu's errors.

Maybe if Nam stays as consistent as he is then he'll be able to build up some higher PCS over the season. Not really fair, but it'll give him an opportunity to make the Worlds podium.

I'm really impressed with the progress Nam has made since last season.

 

[MaxSwagg]

Yeah, I like Yuzuru very much but the scoring is... It's like why should anyone else even bother trying to compete, if he gets scores like this even with errors.

He will have components like

9.90
9.43
9.95
10.00
9.96

by 2018. So don't be discouraged yet.

 

[4everchan]

i concur with the last few posters.... I hadn't seen protocols until now... and it amazes me how big of a gap... fine Nam lost a couple points on his levels in spins but the fact that he barely edges yuzu on TES is disappointing.. I mean... this is just a "friendly" competition here... give to the skaters what they deserve.... oh well... i know lots of you love the chopin ballade of Yuzu but if i do like his skating... the musical cuts make me cringe... this is a 10 minute piece... that starts slowly and opens up to a marvellous lyrical section to finish in a crazy ending.. it tells a full story... the musical cuts here just don't make any sense at all...

In any case, happy to have seen some great skating tonight.

 

[Interspectator]

I agree the gap can be lessened by a point or so, but Nam still telegraphs his jumps so they can't boost him on his transitions, he has gotten better in SS but still behind Hanyu, if they want to give more points to Nam maybe interpretation and execution?

P.S. Patrick was given 43PCS for his SP a few weeks ago, and it was...less than perfect.

 

[ranran]

It really takes away the mood from reading boards on comp updates when every single one there's complain about overscoring and skater-flation. Even small competition is being nitpicking at. Can't we just focus on positive things happened on ice rather than nitpicking on every single mistake needs to points out because the score given is not faaaaiiir. Demolished the 2nd half bonus point or banned the skaters from taking advantages and taking risk then maybe it will finally be at peace with simple and clean program because the skaters are robot. =____=;

 

[Mista Ekko]

i know lots of you love the chopin ballade of Yuzu but if i do like his skating... the musical cuts make me cringe... this is a 10 minute piece... that starts slowly and opens up to a marvellous lyrical section to finish in a crazy ending.. it tells a full story... the musical cuts here just don't make any sense at all...

In any case, happy to have seen some great skating tonight.

I don't get this argument at all,
And the cut is very well made imo.


Yuzuru is exceptional imo but yes the gap could've been smaller,
Though i suspect Nam's consistency and rate of improvement will raise his comopnents throughout the season so nevermind

 

[samm22]

Yeah, I like Yuzuru very much but the scoring is... It's like why should anyone else even bother trying to compete, if he gets scores like this even with errors.

I disagree...This particular program is beautifully choreographed and was executed very well. All of his spins were level 4, all of his jumps were rotated, the quad and the combination were in the second half, and the points are the points. Yuzuru has a higher base value than Nam, so yes, the tes was fair because of the level 4 spins and the quality of everything else that he did beside the quad and to some extent the combination. Nam actually beat Yuzuru technically. Yuzu was just leagues better in PCS. Was it a little generous for a stepout, maybe a little bit, but nothing ridiculous by any means. Nam has improved, and his score was almost 10 points above his worlds sp score, and rightly so. tbh, Yuzuru had a beautiful program with superior skating skills, and fluidity and technique, so I don't really think this is a huge deal. We'll see what happens on the grand prix, but I'm not too astonished by this score.

 

[Mista Ekko]

We'll see what happens on the grand prix, but I'm not too astonished by this score.

And rightly so, Hanyu has made a major error in most of his SP's in the past year and a half and always stayed at low to mid 90s

 

[jkun]

Anyone else the UR call on Yuzuru's 4T is bogus?

 

[4everchan]

about the music: i played this piece so perhaps i am more sensitive? there are also parts where it skips within a section without respecting musical progressions... as I said, I am probably more sensitive than others but for me, it's not a great cut.

I don't get this argument at all,
And the cut is very well made imo.


Yuzuru is exceptional imo but yes the gap could've been smaller,
Though i suspect Nam's consistency and rate of improvement will raise his comopnents throughout the season so nevermind

 

[MaxSwagg]

Anyone else the UR call on Yuzuru's 4T is bogus?

Yes. It is.

 

[4everchan]

the quad was UR but i do agree with you that he did have level 4 spins and did well very well... that's where he got an edge

I disagree...This particular program is beautifully choreographed and was executed very well. All of his spins were level 4, all of his jumps were rotated, the quad and the combination were in the second half, and the points are the points. Yuzuru has a higher base value than Nam, so yes, the tes was fair because of the level 4 spins and the quality of everything else that he did beside the quad and to some extent the combination. Nam actually beat Yuzuru technically. Yuzu was just leagues better in PCS. Was it a little generous for a stepout, maybe a little bit, but nothing ridiculous by any means. Nam has improved, and his score was almost 10 points above his worlds sp score, and rightly so. tbh, Yuzuru had a beautiful program with superior skating skills, and fluidity and technique, so I don't really think this is a huge deal. We'll see what happens on the grand prix, but I'm not too astonished by this score.

 

[shiroKJ]

Anyone else the UR call on Yuzuru's 4T is bogus?

They were strict with the call but its passable as a correct call.

But what is bogus is that they're never consistent lol. Some jumps which are obviously > almost >> yet they get passed as :thumbsup:



FYI, I judge an UR by the angle of the edge takeoff and where the toepick lands. But apparently it varies from person to person so.... (Unless there's severe pre-rotation)

 

[andromache]

It really takes away the mood from reading boards on comp updates when every single one there's complain about overscoring and skater-flation. Even small competition is being nitpicking at. Can't we just focus on positive things happened on ice rather than nitpicking on every single mistake needs to points out because the score given is not faaaaiiir. Demolished the 2nd half bonus point or banned the skaters from taking advantages and taking risk then maybe it will finally be at peace with simple and clean program because the skaters are robot. =____=;

We just really like the minutia of our favorite but very, very flawed sport