Random Figure Skating Questions

[mrrice]

There are a lot more goodies on Misha's YouTube channel!

I love Misha's Dance cover of Shinee's (another K-Pop boyband) "Sherlock": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tIhd9DQdY

Speaking of Shinee, I highly recommend watching Shinee's videos for dance inspiration. They are arguably the best dancers in K-Pop. Big Bang has great tunes to dance too, but those guys are NOT dancers.

Married to the Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Jkfyn0tC0
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1xmO4w_afc
Sherlock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8VRaGe3Cqs
Lucifier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovztfpWPo5M


Also another great dance group in K-Pop is Infinite.
Back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nxNwzXIdtA
The Chaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTXmhKapmCI
Be Mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeuejYoRbps


Man I had too much fun with this. :hap93:

Kaboom!!!!! I love Misha. I just watched Sherlock and I have to say.......As good a dancer as I once was. I could NEVER moon walk. I have one question. Where on earth was he when he shot that Video? If you guys have ever been to Palm Springs out here in Cal. You've seen these giant fields of Wind Turbines. Depending on which route you take, you pass them on the way to Lake Arrowhead. Is that where he was??

 

[StitchMonkey]

musicfan80,

"I also trust Max because of his personality. I think it it is a much better "fit" for someone like Tom Z. I will admit that there have been times when I have been worried about Mirai, though."

It's interesting what you say about Mirai. I always thought it was partly her defiant personality that rubbed Frank the wrong way. I have soft spot for Mirai and I love that she hasn't given up.

Maybe this is what TomZ needs in a student. Someone who will tell him "NO!" Some coaches are like that... they want their student to not only tell them when they are at the limits, but also learn to recognize their limits. Maybe Tom is not pushing students too hard, but more pushing them to set limits and some just don't A slightly defiant Mirai and a Max who can take care of himself could be a good fit in that case.

I get the impression that TomZ is the type of coach that is not going to tell a skater to stop or not try something. That style has its place, but is not for all. Someone like Yzuru would likely not do well with Tom as he needs someone to tell him to stop and I don't think Tom would be that coach.

also if you all want to make up article

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/09/08/93673670/the-inside-edge-champs-camp-builds-camaraderie

FWIW I am in the wear make up if you want to compete on this level camp.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Oh, for sure they are all fit. There was an angle of Max at Skate America that made his waist look like the sort of waist Scarlett O'Hara would have coveted. But it probably was the angle and the proportion of his lean hips relative to his, ahem, engine. But I am quite prepared to analyse waist-to-hip ratio. Or waist-to-engine ratio. Of all the skaters. For, ahem, science, of course. :

Skaters also seem to get broad shoulders that tend to give them a bit of a wedge of cheese V shape on top. That can lead to the waist looking smaller.

 

[mrrice]

Maybe this is what TomZ needs in a student. Someone who will tell him "NO!" Some coaches are like that... they want their student to not only tell them when they are at the limits, but also learn to recognize their limits. Maybe Tom is not pushing students too hard, but more pushing them to set limits and some just don't A slightly defiant Mirai and a Max who can take care of himself could be a good fit in that case.

I get the impression that TomZ is the type of coach that is not going to tell a skater to stop or not try something. That style has its place, but is not for all. Someone like Yzuru would likely not do well with Tom as he needs someone to tell him to stop and I don't think Tom would be that coach.

also if you all want to make up article

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/09/08/93673670/the-inside-edge-champs-camp-builds-camaraderie

FWIW I am in the wear make up if you want to compete on this level camp.

First...Thank you for posting that link to Champs Camp. Second......Are the Champs Camp performances open to the public. Finally, Those Shibutani Kids are Stunning. I really like seeing the skaters when they're relaxed and having a fun moment. We always see them when they're under pressure and it's always fun to see them relax.

 

[skatingfan4ever]

A question for those who watched (and/or attended) Pandora Holiday Celebrations on Ice this year: For his second number, Todd Eldredge skated to an a cappella version of "Silent Night." Which group recorded that version? It's gorgeous!!! Save me from more Googling, please! Thanks in advance.

 

[Johar]

Has any skater had a goth/punk-theme program? I remember a skating movie where one of the skaters was punk/goth. Just curious if it has been replicated in real life.

 

[karne]

Hey Guys, the other day I was watching a video where skaters introduced themselves. Plushy said. "Hi My Friends" and was just too cool for words. After listening to the B.ESP guys butcher Tom Z's name, I wondered if there are clips of him saying his name for us listen to. His name is like "Rohene's" I've heard it pronounced several different ways and spelled badly too.

I think in the TSL video with him from their on-the-road stuff he says it. The USFS did a cute video last year or the year before where they got a bunch of skaters to try and spell it. It was adorable. I've actually found the British Eurosport guys to be fairly close to it, though they tend to pronounce the "s" and the "a" is more flat. But they also say "Max Air-ron" so it's possible that that's a regional accent issue.

(And nothing will ever beat that lady at Nebelhorn calling him "Tom Jurassic".)

First...Thank you for posting that link to Champs Camp. Second......Are the Champs Camp performances open to the public. Finally, Those Shibutani Kids are Stunning. I really like seeing the skaters when they're relaxed and having a fun moment. We always see them when they're under pressure and it's always fun to see them relax.

Champs Camp is very much a closed feedback session. Journalists do attend Champs Camp but they are not allowed into the rink when the skaters are doing their programs. It's a time for the skaters to do their programs and get feedback from the judges and officials about them. There is never video or report about the actual performances. Though often we get video of the various team-building exercises.

Has any skater had a goth/punk-theme program? I remember a skating movie where one of the skaters was punk/goth. Just curious if it has been replicated in real life.

Ugh, that stupid Ice Princess movie. I've seen a few attempts at a sort of "goth/punk" program at lower levels, but it generally doesn't come off too well.

 

[musicfan80]

Oh, for sure they are all fit. There was an angle of Max at Skate America that made his waist look like the sort of waist Scarlett O'Hara would have coveted. But it probably was the angle and the proportion of his lean hips relative to his, ahem, engine. But I am quite prepared to analyse waist-to-hip ratio. Or waist-to-engine ratio. Of all the skaters. For, ahem, science, of course. :

I've done some more recent photo searches of Max and I think his waist has gotten a bit smaller, at least at Skate America. I do think he must have changed his weights regimen cause I think his quadriceps are a little more lean. They seemed to be bit more pronounced at U.S. Nationals last year. So maybe Max did listen some to Phillip Mills.

 

[dorispulaski]

Hey Guys, the other day I was watching a video where skaters introduced themselves. Plushy said. "Hi My Friends" and was just too cool for words. After listening to the B.ESP guys butcher Tom Z's name, I wondered if there are clips of him saying his name for us listen to. His name is like "Rohene's" I've heard it pronounced several different ways and spelled badly too.

Tom Zakrajsek says his name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE8r0nUCAeI

 

[NanaPat]

Last year, at some competitions there were "holding pens" backstage where the 3 top skaters/teams had to sit and wait until they were either out-scored and kicked out or the competition was complete. Also, at some competitions, the skater in the kiss=and-cry was "joined" by a video image of the leader.

There were a lot of negative comments on the live competition threads about how it was cruel to the leading skaters and took away from the "moment" of the skater waiting for marks. I haven't seen anything like that this year, but haven't watched a lot. I've seen the odd shot of someone backstage realizing that they've just won a medal (or lost gold), but nothing organized. Have they had organized holding pens this year? Does anyone remember if they were at GP events last year, or only later in the season?

I must say I don't miss it, or if I miss it, it's in a "thank goodness they've figured out what a bad idea that is" way.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Last year, at some competitions there were "holding pens" backstage where the 3 top skaters/teams had to sit and wait until they were either out-scored and kicked out or the competition was complete. Also, at some competitions, the skater in the kiss=and-cry was "joined" by a video image of the leader.

There were a lot of negative comments on the live competition threads about how it was cruel to the leading skaters and took away from the "moment" of the skater waiting for marks. I haven't seen anything like that this year, but haven't watched a lot. I've seen the odd shot of someone backstage realizing that they've just won a medal (or lost gold), but nothing organized. Have they had organized holding pens this year? Does anyone remember if they were at GP events last year, or only later in the season?

I must say I don't miss it, or if I miss it, it's in a "thank goodness they've figured out what a bad idea that is" way.

I haven't seen one yet. I don't miss it either but it wasn't all bad. Zijun Li and Polina Edmonds are friends and seem to always take pictures and hang out at events. I found it kinda funny that Zijun posted the TV shot of Polina in the Green Room in a little box just smiling while Zijun was awaiting her scores. I think they thought it was funny too.

https://instagram.com/p/zIdoCvzXxm/

 

[iluvtodd]

A question for those who watched (and/or attended) Pandora Holiday Celebrations on Ice this year: For his second number, Todd Eldredge skated to an a cappella version of "Silent Night." Which group recorded that version? It's gorgeous!!! Save me from more Googling, please! Thanks in advance.

I *think* it was a version from the acapella group Pentatonix. My question for you & or someone else. Whose version of "Jingle Bells" did Todd skate to in this show?

 

[lyverbird1]

Anyone know of a way to contact the Eurosport skating commentators? I really need to point them towards YouTube clips and other sources of information to help them pronounce certain names because it's gotten so bad with some of them that I end up turning down the sound when I know they are going to mangle particular names. There's too many for me to bore everyone with here but the best example is Nam Nguyen. I cannot bear to hear them call him Nih-GOO-yin one more time!!!!!!!

They are usually the gold standard when it comes to commentating but it would be a nice courtesy to the skaters, IMHO, (as well as fitting well with their excellent knowledge etc) to at least say their names correctly. There used to be a kind of message board on the main Eurosport page but the site has changed and I can't see that it's there anymore.

 

[tulosai]

Maybe this is what TomZ needs in a student. Someone who will tell him "NO!" Some coaches are like that... they want their student to not only tell them when they are at the limits, but also learn to recognize their limits. Maybe Tom is not pushing students too hard, but more pushing them to set limits and some just don't A slightly defiant Mirai and a Max who can take care of himself could be a good fit in that case.

I get the impression that TomZ is the type of coach that is not going to tell a skater to stop or not try something. That style has its place, but is not for all. Someone like Yzuru would likely not do well with Tom as he needs someone to tell him to stop and I don't think Tom would be that coach.

This is what I think too... there was a period of time when I was really 'against' him as a coach,but now I think that his style probably does have a place. I remain against minor children training with him (certainly anyone under 16 since I think before that age it can be hard to tell your coach no, even if you're strong willed), but if an adult skater knows their own mind and finds their style compatible with his, I don't think there's any reason it might not work. He does have strengths as a coach.

 

[ice coverage]

... I really need to point them towards YouTube clips and other sources of information to help them pronounce certain names ....

For videos of skaters pronouncing their own names, GS itself is a great resource :yes: -- thanks esp. to Doris and sabinfire, who together have been doing the lions' share of the work on the GS pronunciation thread.

http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?56503-Help-Needed-pronouncing-Skaters-Names​

Lotsa videos already have been collected in the GS thread started by Doris, and more are added on an ongoing basis.

sabinfire has edited many of them down, isolating just the few seconds when the skater pronounces her/his own name.

And Doris has added each link to the individual skater's GS fan thread.

 

[skylark]

Anyone know of a way to contact the Eurosport skating commentators? I really need to point them towards YouTube clips and other sources of information to help them pronounce certain names because it's gotten so bad with some of them that I end up turning down the sound when I know they are going to mangle particular names. There's too many for me to bore everyone with here but the best example is Nam Nguyen. I cannot bear to hear them call him Nih-GOO-yin one more time!!!!!!!

They are usually the gold standard when it comes to commentating but it would be a nice courtesy to the skaters, IMHO, (as well as fitting well with their excellent knowledge etc) to at least say their names correctly. There used to be a kind of message board on the main Eurosport page but the site has changed and I can't see that it's there anymore.

I don't wish to offend anyone (disclaimer in advance), but. When I spent a summer in England, I was surprised to notice that everyone Anglicized names, or words of common usage that I knew to be pronounced differently in their language of origin, even French. Up till then, I thought we Americans were the most common offenders in that regard. I remember thinking, well, maybe we learned that habit from the English.

So I'd say Nicky and Chris are following their countrymen's custom. I've noticed it; but the truth is I'm so happy:hap93: to listen to commentary that emphasizes every skater's competitive and skating strengths, musical expression, connection, and artistic authenticity that I don't care. They're very consistent in that they don't try to NOT Anglicize any particular skater's name.

Actually, I imagine the skaters are accustomed to hearing their names pronounced in a myriad of ways when they're outside their own countries. This may bother viewers and fans more than it bothers the skaters.

(I recently heard a CBC interview of Nam. When asked to pronounce his name, he said, "my parents pronounce it ...." The interviewer asked, how do you prefer to pronounce it? He said it differently.)

 

[Alex D]

Thing is, the ES guys do not travel to events and interact with skaters, just like so many journalists do these days. They sit in a small box at home or the broadcasting studio, of course they won´t learn names then. It was depressing at Worlds in Canada this summer, I gave out lists and the commentators still pronounced the girls names wrong... and if you point it out, you get that look which can kill bunny´s.

 

[apgold]

Here's a "dumb" question I have about throw jumps in pairs. How are they designated as a salchow, flip, lutz etc. when the skater being thrown does not enter the jump from their blade edge or toe pick like singles skaters?

 

[Mathman]

When I spent a summer in England, I was surprised to notice that everyone Anglicized names, or words of common usage that I knew to be pronounced differently in their language of origin, even French. Up till then, I thought we Americans were the most common offenders in that regard. I remember thinking, well, maybe we learned that habit from the English.

This has certainly been the traditional custom in the King's English. I have never heard an English person say "Paree." (Americans do so occasionally to try to sound cool. Then everyone says, "Where?" )

Speaking of the king, if your family came from France and was named "Roi" you have the choice of going with "Roy" pronounced as in Roy Rogers or of changing the spelling to "Waugh" as in Evelyn Waugh.

Hockey fans here in Detroit used to think that the Colorado Avalanche had two goalies, a guy named Roy and a guy named Wah. (French Canadian Patrick Roy. )

I recently heard a CBC interview of Nam. When asked to pronounce his name, he said, "my parents pronounce it ...." The interviewer asked, how do you prefer to pronounce it? He said it differently.

I think that is kind of a lost cause. English speakers cannot duplicate the initial sound in Nguyen. I think most second generation Vietnamese in America are reconciled to "Win."

 

[gkelly]

Here's a "dumb" question I have about throw jumps in pairs. How are they designated as a salchow, flip, lutz etc. when the skater being thrown does not enter the jump from their blade edge or toe pick like singles skaters?

They do enter the jump from their blade edge or toe pick like singles skaters.

Watch the ladies' feet on the entries to the throws. You can see what edge they take off from.

The only exception I can think of is that Kazakova and Dmitriev in their exhibitions and pro programs used to do a double throw from within a small lift -- it looked like a salchow in terms of her body position, but it didn't take off from an edge when she started the rotation in the air, and the actual takeoff from the lift might have been different (looks like it might be a loop takeoff here, the lift is a typical waist loop position, but this video doesn't show her feet when she leaves the ice).

That wouldn't have counted as a standard throw jump, so they didn't do it in their competitive programs. I don't know IJS would deal with it either. I can't think of any other teams who have done anything like that, although there may have been some.