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Well we'll see him on ice shows like always ;) But don't worry, I think many of us feel like that every season :laugh:
I am addicted to his competitions, I felt that this season in particular. I don't know why. Not because of his WR. I think it was because he went to a completely different level and his performances overwhelmed me. Ice shows do not have this kind of energy, they can be fun but... the only thing that I expect from them is new programs, especially competitive ones. I fear what his new programs might be. This season's programs are simply Majestic.:luv17:
 
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I am addicted to his competitions, I felt that this season in particular. I don't know why. Not because of his WR. I think it was because he went to a completely different level and his performances overwelmed me. Ice shows do not have this kind of energy, they can be fun but... the only thing that I expect from them is new programs, especially competitive ones. I fear what his new programs might be. This season's programs are simply Majestic.:luv17:
I'm not worried about his next SP, but about his Free, oh man, that sure will be tough to match :drama: and yes, this season was crazy, I never expected he was going to give us such amazing performances, maybe we are becoming spoiled ¿? :laugh:, we need moreeeeee! :devil:
 
This is the first season for me after becoming a Hanyu fan (2012-13 season) that I've been properly in love with both his programmes, so it's been extra exciting! It's crazy that it's all going to end in less than two weeks, since he's not going to go to the Team Challenge Cup, but I'm so happy that this season has produced so many great performances for me to watch over and over again (whilst I procrastinate on actual work or whatever).

I'm already excited about his (and everyone else's) programmes next year, but it's too early for that I suppose. Somehow, I feel like, now that he's found programmes that are truly his style/suit him well, his next programmes will be good as well... Plus, isn't it usually said that the season before the Olympics brings the most interesting programmes, before people revert to playing it safe?

Anyway, whilst I really want Hanyu to win next week (of course), I'm feeling strangely calm about it, because he has already achieved so much this season that he doesn't need to 'redeem' himself or whatever. Then again, I say this now, but when the day of the actual competition comes...
 
I'm not worried about his next SP, but about his Free, oh man, that sure will be tough to match :drama: and yes, this season was crazy, I never expected he was going to give us such amazing performances, maybe we are becoming spoiled ¿? :laugh:, we need moreeeeee! :devil:
Look I have an issue I've been thinking about ever since TSL's David Wilson interview on Youtube. He spoke how Yuna was always into the music and how Jeff Buttle was not in his early career days and how David criticized his performances because his moves were not in tune with the music. I just keep wondering- what if... it could be one of the reasons that David's programs were not a huge success with Yuzu choreowise. Sure Yuzu was young and learing but still... And moreover- what if that was the reason for Yuzu to look for a different choreographer to find his "skating sound"? I have to say that his collaboration with ShaeLynn is very fruitful. And even though I've been pretty sceptical about them working on Seimei first- the result turned to be just totally amazing. I wish that he works with a new choreographer too but I just worry (anxiously anxious to say the least) that it could be a... mistake to switch to another specialist. What you think?
I'm not trying to bash anyone, please don't get me wrong.
 
I saw this video a few days ago https://twitter.com/FSpiritVarz/status/711497358165602305 and reading the article come to my mind.He actually coaches himself :laugh:
It´s weird and at the same time so cute haha.But I do the same thing, I talk to myself,especially when I am doing a exam:palmf:The people must be thinking that I'm crazy:confused:

I think I can PatrickGazesplain it lol. Actually I'm AMAZED by how well Yuzu manages and understands his own psycho. He may not realize it but sometimes he uses very useful psychology tactics to control his mentality. Talking to oneself is very useful if you want to gather yourself up, because it's very powerful. Commanding yourself out loud has great effect on your brain, it can become irresistible for yourself not to naturally follow that verbal command. It works literally like programming yourself. When I had kinda of a mental disease this tactic helped me control myself. To prepare for exams too lol.
And also his statements like "I'll show you performances of an absolute champion", "I'll definitely win this" that's putting extra pressure and responsibility to yourself, forcing yourself to work hard and intensely. Very wise of him.

By the way, I like this one post too :laugh2:
 
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Look I have an issue I've been thinking about ever since TSL's David Wilson interview on Youtube. He spoke how Yuna was always into the music and how Jeff Buttle was not in his early career days and how David criticized his performances because his moves were not in tune with the music. I just keep wondering- what if... it could be one of the reasons that David's programs were not a huge success with Yuzu choreowise. Sure Yuzu was young and learing but still... And moreover- what if that was the reason for Yuzu to look for a different choreographer to find his "skating sound"? I have to say that his collaboration with ShaeLynn is very fruitful. And even though I've been pretty sceptical about them working on Seimei first- the result turned to be just totally amazing. I wish that he works with a new choreographer too but I just worry (anxiously anxious to say the least) that it could be a... mistake to switch to another specialist. What you think?
I'm not trying to bash anyone, please don't get me wrong.
I think it may be that his style didn't fit Yuzuru and also that he was focusing more on the technical side.
I also think it's better for him to work with another choreographer and keep experimenting while he can, it really can be a good choice or not but for me it's worth trying.
 
Look I have an issue I've been thinking about ever since TSL's David Wilson interview on Youtube. He spoke how Yuna was always into the music and how Jeff Buttle was not in his early career days and how David criticized his performances because his moves were not in tune with the music. I just keep wondering- what if... it could be one of the reasons that David's programs were not a huge success with Yuzu choreowise. Sure Yuzu was young and learing but still... And moreover- what if that was the reason for Yuzu to look for a different choreographer to find his "skating sound"? I have to say that his collaboration with ShaeLynn is very fruitful. And even though I've been pretty sceptical about them working on Seimei first- the result turned to be just totally amazing. I wish that he works with a new choreographer too but I just worry (anxiously anxious to say the least) that it could be a... mistake to switch to another specialist. What you think?
I'm not trying to bash anyone, please don't get me wrong.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, that Hanyu couldn't work with DWilson because he was unmusical and so he didn't like David's criticism? For me, Hanyu is very naturally musically, you'll RARELY see him go off his music even down to the final spin (where you frequently see people finish behind their music, way too early, etc). His ability to self-admittedly improvise choreography on the fly because he feels like it :biggrin: is a testament to how much he understands his music and his timing, it's what makes every program different and organic. Even with his less successful DWilson programs, NDP and R&J2, he hit the music at the right time (if he wasn't falling all over the place :laugh:) even if he wasn't very refined or precise in his movements yet.

The way I see it is, going off the same TSL interview, David's first perception of Kim led him to create The Lark Ascending, a gentle and ethereal piece. He didn't know about how commanding and fiery she could be until he saw her break the SP WR with Tom Dickson's El Tango de Roxanne, which inspired him to create arguably her finest SP in Danse Macabre. With Hanyu, it seemed he thought the dramatic, romantic styles of NDP and R&J2 were all he saw fit, he didn't personally have an "Aha!" moment like he did with Kim's tango that would've inspired him to create something extra special and unique. I'd actually love to see Hanyu go back and work with Wilson for a SP now that he's matured in countless ways. I think the SP provides more room for artistic risk and David's produced some of my favorite SPs ever, including many of Kim's as well as Takahashi's In the Garden of Souls. :yes:
 
On Yuzu and his musicality, he finds the rhythm in a unique way, and differently each time.
You see it clearly when he is performing in group numbers. He is hearing the music but it translates into movement differently than the others. He sometimes hangs on till the very last milisecond then hits the pose or gesture for the maximum effect, whereas others who learn the choreography and will not change it, will hit the beat directly as it happens or a bit before the beat. Yuzu is sometimes behind the beat a tiny tiny bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glRUboYF8iI
 
Wow, I just rewatched his GPF long program. I've seen it multiple times and still it moves me to tears. So amazing! Question though, at the end when Yuzu was skating off the ice, he pointed his arm/finger up and left it there for a bit... what does he mean by that?
 
Wow, I just rewatched his GPF long program. I've seen it multiple times and still it moves me to tears. So amazing! Question though, at the end when Yuzu was skating off the ice, he pointed his arm/finger up and left it there for a bit... what does he mean by that?

"I'm no. 1."
 
Anyway, whilst I really want Hanyu to win next week (of course), I'm feeling strangely calm about it, because he has already achieved so much this season that he doesn't need to 'redeem' himself or whatever. Then again, I say this now, but when the day of the actual competition comes...

Totally agree! :drama:


Wow, I just rewatched his GPF long program. I've seen it multiple times and still it moves me to tears. So amazing! Question though, at the end when Yuzu was skating off the ice, he pointed his arm/finger up and left it there for a bit... what does he mean by that?

I never bore with watching this scene.:luv17: His back view is that of King. Confident, determined, focused..
Some of his photos of my favorite is his back view’s. His body shape is perfect and we can feel full of his energy, talent, attraction, his feelings at the moment,etc..
 
I actually had fun reading the icenetwork article! :biggrin: To me it was fairly well written and has interesting additional info from the skaters/coaches at the Cricket Club who train with Yuzuru. His hardworking personality makes everyone admire him! I like this quote a lot:

"Every time he steps on the ice, he is 100-percent focused," said Spanish champion Sonia Lafuente, one of the three Spaniards training with the Cricket Club's seven-member coaching team.

"He gives us a 'wow' moment every day," Orser said.

Example?

"He will do a triple axel that covers so much ice, with such a fluid landing, that all the coaches just look at each other and go, 'Ohmigod!'''
 
That article on icenetwork is so long and so uninformative. Like- he had a small trauma that already healed, he trains away from BOrser most of the time, everybody praise him.:coffee: I think I just miss him and his skating.:scratch2:
That's how you write an article when you can't get an interview from Yuzuru. Hersh must be a fan uncle. :laugh:

"Even to me, Yuzu is a mystery," Orser said. :tantrum::coffee:
Yuzuru is very straight foward. Everything is written on his face. It might be the cultural difference that made westerners find him mysterious.
 
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Omg, why does Yuzu always get injured before Worlds... I hope it is truly healed now and nothing happens during the remaining time... All those Junior Worlds WD really freaked me out.

I would be more surprised if he is injury free the entire season given the difficulty of his layout and the intensity of his training. It's too good to be true. I think he gets injured more frequently before worlds because he tends to over-train himself before worlds since worlds is the most important competition of the season. We can only hope that he understands his body better now and will not over-train himself before worlds.
 
Look I have an issue I've been thinking about ever since TSL's David Wilson interview on Youtube. He spoke how Yuna was always into the music and how Jeff Buttle was not in his early career days and how David criticized his performances because his moves were not in tune with the music. I just keep wondering- what if... it could be one of the reasons that David's programs were not a huge success with Yuzu choreowise. Sure Yuzu was young and learing but still... And moreover- what if that was the reason for Yuzu to look for a different choreographer to find his "skating sound"? I have to say that his collaboration with ShaeLynn is very fruitful. And even though I've been pretty sceptical about them working on Seimei first- the result turned to be just totally amazing. I wish that he works with a new choreographer too but I just worry (anxiously anxious to say the least) that it could be a... mistake to switch to another specialist. What you think?
I'm not trying to bash anyone, please don't get me wrong.

A person's impression of a program depends on the execution quality of the performance. If the execution quality is poor, then most people will think the program is bad too. If the execution quality is good, then most people will think the program is good.

The main problems of NDP and RJ2 is that he never really executed those two programs exceptionally well because the technical content was really difficult for him at the time. Another problem is that Wilson's programs were too mature for Yuzuru at that time.

I don't think either PW or Chopin is better than his previous SPs. He is technically better now, so he can execute more difficult tech with better quality and that improves the overall impression. But the programs themselves are not better. If he skates to his old SPs now, the difference in audience's response will only depend on the difference of their taste.

Also, I think it's harder to choregraph a good LP than a good SP because there are more tecnical elements and it's twice as long. I actually don't think either NDP or RJ2 is worse than any of his LPs before RJ1.

Another problem is that he has iconic LPs, but no iconic SPs. I mean iconic program as the program is owned by him and can't be performed by any other skater. All of his SPs can be performed by many skaters, with some variations in the choreography (less difficult or more difficult) and intepretation because the styles of the programs are not something only Yuzuru can pull off. (PW is somewhat iconic due to him winning the Olympics with that program. But when he first broke the WR with PW in 2012, it didn't get that kind of buzz. That program itself is not a program that can't be performed by other skaters. The style of the program, rock star style, is not a style that only Yuzuru can pull off.) But RJ1 and SEIMEI can't be performed by other skaters because Yuzuru has the same character as the characters portrayed in the program. You (most likely) won't find another skater that shares more resemblance to Romeo and Seimei than Yuzuru. People will associate Romeo and Seimei with Yuzuru. Unless he gets another iconic LP, his future LPs may be seen as a let down because they will be compared with RJ1 and SEIMEI. But his future SPs won't get this comparison.

If he tries another choreographer, then it's better to try a new SP choreographer than a new LP choreographer. He can execute SP with good quality most of the time. So his SPs are usually well received. (I don't think any of his SPs is poorly received.) But it's much harder for him to execute the LP with good quality. It also took him quite some time to get to know and work with Shae-Lynn. So working with a new LP choreographer means starting the whole process all over again. At least POTO is better than all of his non-RJ1 and non-SEIMEI LPs. So working with Shae-Lynn means we won't get an LP worse than POTO. Working with a new LP choreographer means we could see something much worse.
 
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thanks for sharing, can you tell briefly what does he say ?

"The next Olympics will be shaped by how our generation can evolve. I need to work hard to be part of that evolution."
"Each one (top skaters) really has their own direction and their uniqueness is coming to life. Because it is possible to fight with this uniqueness, I'm having a crazy-fun time."
 
"The next Olympics will be shaped by how our generation can evolve. I need to work hard to be part of that evolution."
"Each one (top skaters) really has their own direction and their uniqueness is coming to life. Because it is possible to fight with this uniqueness, I'm having a crazy-fun time."

So for Kozuka best jumper is Boyang and best expression goes to Shoma ? :roll9: (weird)
 
So for Kozuka best jumper is Boyang and best expression goes to Shoma ? :roll9: (weird)

I think he is highlighting the younger two because the wider audience does not know them yet. Fernandez and Chan and Hanyu have been covered many times in comparison so their strong points are well-known.
 
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