Yuzuru Hanyu: 2015-16 Season

[matmuh]

welcome Inna, even though i dont agree with your opinion i still respect that
you said Brian likes Javi more, that maybe true but he is also a professional coach, and he does his best for every student he has, it was unfortunate that both Javi and Yuzu had their own problems during WC and Brian probably wasnt prepared for it but i dont think the "ignoring" (for lack of better word) Yuzu's problem was intentonal or something,
regarding Brian's disbelief, Yuzu did the unbelieveable this season TWICE, not just him but whole world was in disbelief after those scores in a very good way, i know i was, his talent was already know but to see it happen before your eyes is still unbelieveable, noone reached those score before him so i dont hold it against Brian :agree:

 

[xibsuarz]

He skated just like anyone else would, when they realize that his coach and his friend not going to be that much happy if he wins. And the truth is - this is normal. Orser is human, and he has his own preferences. He likes Javi more. He even said in some interviews that he connects better with Javi's style that with Yuzu's. Not a surprise, because both of them have exactly same style - 'jump as many times as possible and in between make lots of movements to hide lack of natural technique and artistry'. Did anyone on this board watched Orser competing back in the 80s? I did. I was Boitano's fan. Orser was not really talented, not artistic and he never made audience to stop breathing during his performance. I could never understand why Yuzu even went to train with him. Notice, how he acts during record score announcements - he shakes his head in disbelief. He doesn't understand what Yuzu does so special to deserve this high scores. I am not a troll. I am trying to do what i am sure many people did since april 2 - try to find the reason for what went wrong.

Wait what? This is all going from assumption to assumption. EVEN IF Brian and Javier were not happy if Yuzu won, why would he care? We all know how much he wanted to win, it fueled his whole season, it made him attempt extraordinarily difficult programs. This is a competition, at the end of the day, everyone wants to win. And we know Yuzu likes winning, so implying he lost on purpose...just no.
And the only time Brian has said Yuzuru's score was too high was at 2014 COC where he said Yuzu got a little help. Why can't shaking his head in disbelief be interpreted as something positive? After all, Yuzu has gotten scores that have never been seen in the history of the sport, as the B.ESP commentators said: it defies belief. He told Yuzu he earned every mark when he scored 102 in the SP at Nationals with a fall.

 

[Hanmgse]

Wait what? This is all going from assumption to assumption. EVEN IF Brian and Javier were not happy if Yuzu won, why would he care? We all know how much he wanted to win, it fueled his whole season, it made him attempt extraordinarily difficult programs. This is a competition, at the end of the day, everyone wants to win. And we know Yuzu likes winning, so implying he lost on purpose...just no.
And the only time Brian has said Yuzuru's score was too high was at 2014 COC where he said Yuzu got a little help. Why can't shaking his head in disbelief be interpreted as something positive? After all, Yuzu has gotten scores that have never been seen in the history of the sport, as the B.ESP commentators said: it defies belief. He told Yuzu he earned every mark when he scored 102 in the SP at Nationals with a fall.

I don't see how that person implied this, I understood it more like it affected his skating. I don't agree with the poster though.

 

[Raomina]

Jumping into the conversation about Brian as Yuzu's coach, I think perhaps it has less to do with the fact that he is also Javi's coach, but the fact that he is a LOT of skaters' coach. Didn't TCC have 10 or so competitors at Worlds? When I was there, it was almost like Brian was permanently at the rinkside for the ladies FS especially. In the other competitions where Yuzu did well, he didn't have to take care of so many charges, and he could focus his attention on him. TCC might just be a bit too overcrowded at the moment, which becomes a problem especially when it comes to large competitions like Worlds where so many of them attend. That would suggest that it is a 'competition' problem, rather than a 'training' problem.

 

[Hanmgse]

Another one: https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=3722be6d3814e2ad69f4ba89e2649efb&oe=57B67493

oh this is lovely

 

[JuliettaG]

Sonia Bianchetti talks about worlds here http://soniabianchetti.com/writings_2016worlds.html
She says about Yuzu

Yuzuru Hanyu, the Olympic champion from Japan, was first in the short program but in the free skating he seemed somehow lost. Skating to “Seimei”, a Japanese movie soundtrack, Hanyu produced a quadruple toe-loop and five clean triples, but he struggled with his quadruple Salchow, touching down with his hand on the first one and falling on the second one. But even more surprising and disappointing for me was the fact that he was skating without any passion, and did not transmit any emotion, which is just the opposite of what normally happens when he skates. Nevertheless, he was awarded by the judges 92.0 points in the Program Components, which raises the same question: do these marks really reflect what is done on the ice in that particular day?

I don't understand well this part, does she imply that the PCS of Yuzu were high?

 

[Sorrento]

Sonia Bianchetti talks about worlds here http://soniabianchetti.com/writings_2016worlds.html
She says about Yuzu (quote)


I don't understand well this part, does she imply that the PCS of Yuzu were high?

Oh Sonia... Yuzu was stressed like hell that is why he was pissed after the first quad and then he could not produce same happy skate you saw when he hit that WR. Things happen, Sonia, people get upset. He will deliver the skate you want to see from him in future but he is not a robot. Should he apologize to you directly as well?:hslap:

 

[Hanmgse]

Sonia Bianchetti talks about worlds here http://soniabianchetti.com/writings_2016worlds.html
She says about Yuzu


I don't understand well this part, does she imply that the PCS of Yuzu were high?

yes, for this performance in particular.

 

[mcq]

Hello! First time Poster here!
I am a new fan actually, I only started following him in 2015. I was only a casual fan of figure skating who only watched big events before and I didn't have a favorite, until I saw yuzuru and was just captivated. I really admire him as a skater, athlete, artist and a person. I just adore his skating beyond medals, placings, titles, scores and world records. His performance is just beautiful and watching his skate give me so much joy and leave me in awe, I even teared up at his performance of requiem. I hope one day I get to see him live, as some of you did
Lastly, I do hope whatever happened behind the curtains and closed doors would not divert or take away from the real important thing, which is the beauty of his skating. Greetings!

 

[alia jackson]

I wonder whether Sonia asked about Javi score in SP where people in the competition thread also mentioned being high :think:

 

[Hanmgse]

Oh Sonia... Yuzu was stressed like hell that is why he was pissed after the first quad and then he could not produce same happy skate you saw when he hit that WR. Things happen, Sonia, people get upset. He will deliver the skate you want to see from him in future but he is not a robot. Should he apologize to you directly as well?:hslap:

It's not that deep...

 

[twitwi]

I also have some concern about what Brian said after D10's incident.
While concerning the FP failure, I think yuzu and Brian need to communicate more in the future, apparently I think Brian somehow ignored yuzu a little bit, but I don't want to draw a conclusion because he didn't like yuzu.
Also I don't agree with that Brian didn't expect yuzu to win or he didn't agree with Yuzu's score. At that time everybody is somehow shocked, and I do think Brian is happy for that. And when javi's score at WC showd up, he also made a similar face.

 

[Marin]

I wonder whether Sonia asked about Javi score in SP where people in the competition thread also mentioned being high :think:

I have just been thinking the same....

You know it is so heartbraking when some people including aka experts of figure skating were gushing over him after he broke 6 records earlier , calling him alien. greatest of all time. once alien Yuzu came down to earth for one day, they began to throw mud on him. I am so sad that when remembering Sochi certain individuals remember only his bad LP, same in Boston .somehow they always forget that he had record breaking SP in Sochi andbreathtaking sp 2 weeks ago.. I am old fan of figure skating , It has been decades I began watching and I am always convinced how ungrateful and cruel this sport is...... sorry for this kind of post but today I am enough pissed with some figure skating journalists. ...

 

[Meoima]

Sonia Bianchetti talks about worlds here http://soniabianchetti.com/writings_2016worlds.html
She says about Yuzu
I don't understand well this part, does she imply that the PCS of Yuzu were high?

Anyone has her twitter? I can send her an essay of how other skaters get too much on PCS. loll
Just kidding, where was she when Yuzuru scored WR? :taunt:

 

[Hanmgse]

Anyone has her twitter? I can send her an essay of how other skaters get too much on PCS. loll
Just kidding, where was she when Yuzuru scored WR? :taunt:

http://soniabianchetti.com/writings_grandprix2015.html

 

[InnaR]

welcome Inna, even though i dont agree with your opinion i still respect that
you said Brian likes Javi more, that maybe true but he is also a professional coach, and he does his best for every student he has, it was unfortunate that both Javi and Yuzu had their own problems during WC and Brian probably wasnt prepared for it but i dont think the "ignoring" (for lack of better word) Yuzu's problem was intentonal or something,
regarding Brian's disbelief, Yuzu did the unbelieveable this season TWICE, not just him but whole world was in disbelief after those scores in a very good way, i know i was, his talent was already know but to see it happen before your eyes is still unbelieveable, noone reached those score before him so i dont hold it against Brian :agree:

I don't remember where I read (maybe Tarasova said it) - but to be able to be the best coach - one needs to be in love (professionally speaking) with that student's talent. It is despicable for a talent like Yuzu to have a coach that doesn’t appreciate the gift he was given by having an opportunity to coach Yuzu. It is not OK for Yuzu to have a coach that is just professional enough to give some attention to him, but prefers Javi’s style. I would have respected Orser if he had enough integrity and courage and withdrew from his role as a Yuzu’s coach. But that requires strong character, much easier to compare Yuzu to Javi and paint Yuzu as too emotional in the interviews. That is low.

 

[wookchub]

That woman.....is bizarre. Full of contradictions. She's basically saying that she loves Yuzuru when he can perform his difficult program, but when he has an off day and makes mistakes he's an example of how the sport is losing credibility by rewarding 'splats'. So she wants a sport where everyone has an easy program and they execute it perfectly every time....right. Thanks for the 'expert' opinion.

Some of these so called experts are fickle as heck.

 

[alia jackson]

I have just been thinking the same....

You know it is so heartbraking when some people including aka experts of figure skating were gushing over him after he broke 6 records earlier , calling him alien. greatest of all time. once alien Yuzu came down to earth for one day, they began to throw mud on him. I am so sad that when remembering Sochi certain individuals remember only his bad LP, same in Boston .somehow they always forget that he had record breaking SP in Sochi andbreathtaking sp 2 weeks ago.. I am old fan of figure skating , It has been decades I began watching and I am always convinced how ungrateful and cruel this sport is...... sorry for this kind of post but today I am enough pissed with some figure skating journalists. ...

I felt the same too.

People forgot 101.45 WR SP on the day of the Sochi LP

People forgot 110.56 SP (off from WR by 0.39) on the day of the Boston LP

 

[seimei]

innaR, This thread is not for bashing orser or javi... They are not my type skater, but I still think they are very capable/charming/successful coach and skater. I agree only one point about your opinion. Personally I think orser's interview about incident is improper and still feel some inattention. I also think his PR ability isn't good too.
But your guess about his reaction to yuzu's WR or his favoritism is too much. And I assume that he may be more close to javi due to period, personality, style, language or culture.. (ex. orser suggested black-betty costume that is similar to his previous competition coustume to javi). But I still think he is a good observer/strategist for yuzu as a coach. (ex. choosing programs, strengthen skating skill, and one more thing helpful advice about 2012 jpn national result etc)
Yuzu has always his own value, taste, goal and also stuffs( kikuchi san, jsf staff, media, schedule in japan, routine about off season, ice shows). I think orser just respects yuzu's circumstance and independence spirit putting distance...and actually yuzu had never spoken bad things about orser. ( but I still want that yuzu doesn't read icenetwork interview..)
IMO, yuzu will not leave from orser since oly is less than 2years and helpful options( choregraphy, rival etc). But if he leaves from orser, it doesn't matter all because yuzu choose the way for himself. And your suggestion about moving to Russia for coaching, I only like your idea about TAT choregraphy, yuzu and TAT combination will be interesting haha but very unlikely. Finally I want this thread will be full of respectful word as many other posters.

 

[gsyzf]

I have just been thinking the same....

You know it is so heartbraking when some people including aka experts of figure skating were gushing over him after he broke 6 records earlier , calling him alien. greatest of all time. once alien Yuzu came down to earth for one day, they began to throw mud on him. I am so sad that when remembering Sochi certain individuals remember only his bad LP, same in Boston .somehow they always forget that he had record breaking SP in Sochi andbreathtaking sp 2 weeks ago.. I am old fan of figure skating , It has been decades I began watching and I am always convinced how ungrateful and cruel this sport is...... sorry for this kind of post but today I am enough pissed with some figure skating journalists. ...

She is not his fan. She only praises Yuzuru when Yuzuru skates well and criticizes him when he has an off day. This kind of expectation is what gives Yuzuru so much pressure. They expect him to be perfect all the time.

Even when Yuzuru gives a poor performance, the British commentator Simon Reed still said he thinks Yuzuru has the talent to be the finest skater of all time. (He said that many times.) If the skating community and fans all think like the British uncle, the pressure on Yuzuru would be a lot less.