47.06 for the new. The old was 44.19. A difference of 2.87 points. It I need to check her old program to see if I put all the jumps in the right half. This doesn't include spins or footwork of course.
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47.06 for the new. The old was 44.19. A difference of 2.87 points. It I need to check her old program to see if I put all the jumps in the right half. This doesn't include spins or footwork of course.
Huh well there you go. It' a risk but it could pay off. For what it's worth the extra 2.87 in base value would have been more than enough to bump her into bronze at worlds based on the final numbers there. Not saying she would have had identical execution but I can see how the risk might feel like a worthwhile one.
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It's frustrating as an American to see a JGP like St Gervais go down and have to deal with the fact that we can't send a medal contender. Really? The field was pretty lackluster and still....here we are. :gaah:
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I got totally different numbers, with a much smaller difference in BV for jumps (only .22). Unless the scale of values has changed, I'm not sure if my math was entirely accurate. I don't think it's a good strategy to repeat the 3F, unless they have a long term goal of getting her to eventually do it correctly and consistently under the pressure of competition.
Last season's jump layout = 3Lz+3T (10.3), 3Lo (5.1), 2A (3.3), 2A+3T+2T (9.79 x), 3F+2T (7.26 x), 3Lz (6.6 x), 3S (4.84 x) = 47.19
New jump layout = 2A (3.3), 3Lz+3T (10.3), 3Lo (5.1), 2A+1Lo+3S (9.02 x), 3F (5.83 x), 3F+2T (7.26 x), 3Lz (6.6 x) = 47.41
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You are correct, wanderlust. The base value difference is only .22 for her new layout. Doing a 1Lo+3S (or 3F) combination isn't the highest base value in the Ladies' field. It's a little better to do multiple +3Toe combos and then a +2Toe and +2Loop (or multiple +2Loop) to complete the combination jumps. The exception is if you have a Triple Axel, then you could do multiple +3Toe combos AND a +1Lo+3S (or 3F) combo for a slight base value increase...but good luck with that. What it really comes down to is how the skater can get the best +GOE. I really doubt that doing two Triple Flips is how Gracie will get the best +GOE on her jumps. Unless she has changed her technique back to her old approach, where she went into the jump with speed and power, and at the same time won't get any edge violations.
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I don't see the point of this change at all. The flip is Gracie's weakest jump. Why she'd try to repeat it twice in the second half of the program, when she has tired legs and is more likely mess up, is beyond me. As the Ice Network article posited, maybe she's just trying to get rid of all her demons from last season by starting with a totally new set up? Who knows.
Also, is anyone else a bit surprised about Ashley's music problems and the haphazard way the process is happening? I know it's only August verging on September, but how can she not know what her SP music will be? How is that she picked her music as a reaction the night before she went to Shae-Lynn? How is it that this is the first 1.5 month long period Ashley has been with Rafael since she started taking from him THREE YEARS AGO?! I'm sure Ashley will get it together, but she and Gracie are the two best skaters in the US. We have one with no music and one tinkering with jumps just for kicks and giggles. I have to imagine that if Martha Karolyi were a figure skating coach and we had a more centralized system for US Figure Skating, this stuff would be handled in a more professional manner. And we might have more major international medals to show for all these talented skaters we've got.
Also, is anyone else a bit surprised about Ashley's music problems and the haphazard way the process is happening? I know it's only August verging on September, but how can she not know what her SP music will be? How is that she picked her music as a reaction the night before she went to Shae-Lynn? How is it that this is the first 1.5 month long period Ashley has been with Rafael since she started taking from him THREE YEARS AGO?! I'm sure Ashley will get it together, but she and Gracie are the two best skaters in the US. We have one with no music and one tinkering with jumps just for kicks and giggles. I have to imagine that if Martha Karolyi were a figure skating coach and we had a more centralized system for US Figure Skating, this stuff would be handled in a more professional manner. And we might have more major international medals to show for all these talented skaters we've got.
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Ashley changed her first LP, which is a good sign of awareness. Better to change it early in the season if it doesn't feel right. As for the coaching thing, she was just saying that this summer she hasn't been with her coach for an extended period of time because of doing various activities. I don't think any of this is much to be worried about. Same for Gracie. It's very early in the season.
Don't worry. Your math is right. I tried doing this on my phone calculator with no paper. It makes it a lot easier when you right down the elements than doing them from your head.
That said, this layout is pointless. Just a tiny score difference that's bound to cost her some victories. But it wouldn't be a Gracie Gold program if you weren't at the end of your seat with your fingers crossed, praying that she nail everything.
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That isn't what she said. This: "It's been a hard summer; Raf has never really had a month and a half with me in town to just kind of do whatever he wants."
She means that until this year, she's never had six weeks in town during a summer, for training with Raf. That's because she usually has to do more show skating during the summer to earn money.
The music situation is a little nerve-wracking. But I'm really glad that she had the courage to admit the first LP wasn't right, and to figure out a way to fix it. I imagine the scheduling difficulties were hair-raising, with Shae-Lynne working with other clients and Ashley having all her other commitments.
I think it's very smart of Gracie to make a break, get rid of the demons. But two flips? :shocked: They must be putting a lot of faith in the new entries for the flip.
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Wasn't the flip/lip one of Gracie's best jumps, at least when she first became a senior around 2012 or 2013? I remember her doing 3F-3Ts with ease. Why has she become a Bebe Liang now? What is with Frank's students and the flip?
@skylark: You're right. I wasn't looking at the article when I paraphrased it. I still think it's bad that she hasn't had a 1.5 month long period in a summer with Rafael. The money situation is understandable. And frankly, I think it's admirable that Ashley has improved this much if she hasn't had long, sustained (6+ weeks) training blocks in the summers. But I still don't think something like that reflects well on USFS as a whole. One's show commitments shouldn't be getting in the way of one's training if one is trying to win World and Olympic medals regardless of the fact that skating is a very expensive sport. USFS should do better by its top athletes.
And I guess it's possible that Ashley is marketable now, knows that her career in skating is short, and wants to make as much money as she can. It must be tough having to choose between making money and training in a way that could lead to major improvements. Hope she schedules herself so she's at her absolute best before the Olympic season.
And I guess it's possible that Ashley is marketable now, knows that her career in skating is short, and wants to make as much money as she can. It must be tough having to choose between making money and training in a way that could lead to major improvements. Hope she schedules herself so she's at her absolute best before the Olympic season.
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I am not sure about the current junior skaters matching up against the new asian and russian skaters. But I was browsing skating videos and found this young girl's video named Alysa Liu. She won the Intermediate Ladies National Championship. She is adorable and I have a feeling if she can get her triple triples down in a few more years, I am predicting she will be the face of US Ladies Figure Skating. She was also featured on KRON 4 news and I believe she's only 10 or 11. And she is from my hometown of Oakland, CA. I think the US will have to wait a while longer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6SUqNcumA (US Prudential Nationals short program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTYo5bKb3Mc (US Prudential Nationals long program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHHTaQnviM (recent program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfur8Vnm-U (recent)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSrPMLHXHs (recent)
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I am not sure about the current junior skaters matching up against the new asian and russian skaters. But I was browsing skating videos and found this young girl's video named Alysa Liu. She won the Intermediate Ladies National Championship. She is adorable and I have a feeling if she can get her triple triples down in a few more years, I am predicting she will be the face of US Ladies Figure Skating. She was also featured on KRON 4 news and I believe she's only 10 or 11. And she is from my hometown of Oakland, CA. I think the US will have to wait a while longer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6SUqNcumA (US Prudential Nationals short program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTYo5bKb3Mc (US Prudential Nationals long program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHHTaQnviM (recent program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfur8Vnm-U (recent)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSrPMLHXHs (recent)
Alysa's fantastic! She's already trying 3-3s and has most, if not all, of her triples. She's also an adorable smol bean
and quite the little performer! She won't be junior eligible for a while, but she definitely has promise. With her and Kaitlyn Nguyen, who's 12 and has been racking up really impressive scores this summer, our junior prospects look to be improving. Kaitlyn will be eligible next year and Alysa in 2018-19 (I think). But I still really want someone to pull a Gracie Gold-come out of absolutely nowhere and be like, "hey Russian wunderbabies, look out!" And slay us all with her gigantic jumps and then go on to have a great senior debut despite missing Nationals the previous season. I nominate Ashley Kim, who indeed has large jumps and missed Nationals last year (and, like 2012-Gracie, is pretty consistent).
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Alysa's fantastic! She's already trying 3-3s and has most, if not all, of her triples. She's also an adorable smol bean
But I still really want someone to pull a Gracie Gold-come out of absolutely nowhere and be like, "hey Russian wunderbabies, look out!" And slay us all with her gigantic jumps and then go on to have a great senior debut despite missing Nationals the previous season. I nominate Ashley Kim, who indeed has large jumps and missed Nationals last year (and, like 2012-Gracie, is pretty consistent).
yes, indeed! It looks like Alysa has solid technique on the lutz as well and solid edgework. I think she just needs to grow taller, so she can gain more power and speed, but that will come with time. I'll definitely be following this little girl's career for a long time. Also, yes, I've discovered kaitlyn Nguyen as well. She seems to have all her jumps, maybe except the lutz, not sure, because it looks as if she under-rotates it slightly from these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emuIf2R7iXs (sp) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QjeM8NO5k0 (lp) But she's lovely as well, maybe needs a little knee bending more
But these two are indeed the ones to watch out for
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I believe I've understood from Ashley's interviews that in the past, she's done a lot of shows to make money to support her skating career RIGHT NOW for the rest of the year. She's been independent from her parents since she was 18, unlike most skaters.
So no, I don't believe your speculation is correct that Ashley knows careers are short and wants to make money now. I do agree with you in this: I wish USFS might find ways to better support our athletes who are contending for worlds and olympics. But I'm not well-versed in the financial side of skating, so if anyone has a better perspective than mine, feel free to correct/inform.
I look at the glass half full: I'm really happy that Ashley had this chance over this past summer.
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I'm sure Ashley is getting just about as much funding as she can from USFS but I doubt it's enough to cover the costs of training and living. Like most skaters, she's skating shows for the paycheck that lets her keep training. As another poster mentioned, she's been financially independent from her parents for a long time.
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I am not sure about the current junior skaters matching up against the new asian and russian skaters. But I was browsing skating videos and found this young girl's video named Alysa Liu. She won the Intermediate Ladies National Championship. She is adorable and I have a feeling if she can get her triple triples down in a few more years, I am predicting she will be the face of US Ladies Figure Skating. She was also featured on KRON 4 news and I believe she's only 10 or 11. And she is from my hometown of Oakland, CA. I think the US will have to wait a while longer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6SUqNcumA (US Prudential Nationals short program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTYo5bKb3Mc (US Prudential Nationals long program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHHTaQnviM (recent program)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfur8Vnm-U (recent)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSrPMLHXHs (recent)
She seems to be a very good performer with good jumps and spins. She really enjoys herself on ice and does not rush into her elements. I have keep an eye on her.
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Alexia was quite nice
I felt the same way. I didn't think any of the medalists were particularly out of this world and yet there was a 45-point gap between Paganini and 1st place and more than a 25-point gap between the podium and her. And this is with Paganini rotating a triple-triple in both programs. It looks like points were left on the table in terms of spin levels and there were jumping errors, but no major meltdown. So, why is the disparity so massive? It's a bit depressing.
