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Golden West results are on the All Year FSC site.
The IJS results were added yesterday.
State of U.S. Ladies' skating 2016-17
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Golden West results are on the All Year FSC site.
The IJS results were added yesterday.
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IIRC, it was Gracie's plan to debut the long at the Japan Open. It's pretty common for skaters to not do both programs at the small pre-season comps.
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That Patrick Commentates video . . . . I have no words. 
I wonder if Lori Nichol charged Gracie her full SP price for that "new" choreography?
I wonder if Lori Nichol charged Gracie her full SP price for that "new" choreography?
Wow, Gracie's SP is extremely similar to last season's, though less pleasing to the eye due to the flailing arms. I do appreciate what they seem to be trying to do in terms of bringing more tension to her movement, but it's definitely not working yet. This sort of boggles my mind, it has to be intentionally similar, right?
Re: Wessenberg at Ostrava. Her jumps seemed totally out of control. If she pulled her technique together a bit more and harnessed the power she has, I think she could be a real threat. She's enjoyable to watch. But for now, we again have the U.S. entrant (3rd in junior nationals last year) outpaced by more than 35 points by a C-team Russian skater (Gubanova was 12th at Russian juniors last year). This Junior Grand Prix is not off to a good start for the U.S. women..
Re: Wessenberg at Ostrava. Her jumps seemed totally out of control. If she pulled her technique together a bit more and harnessed the power she has, I think she could be a real threat. She's enjoyable to watch. But for now, we again have the U.S. entrant (3rd in junior nationals last year) outpaced by more than 35 points by a C-team Russian skater (Gubanova was 12th at Russian juniors last year). This Junior Grand Prix is not off to a good start for the U.S. women..
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#ashleykimdomination2k16
JK...but she and Vivian are looking like the only medal possibilities we have, and neither have a chance at the final.
(and I'm saying this as a huge supporter/fan/creepy uber of US Juniors...) But, we can hope!
USA's jgp selections are so odd. I don't know what they are basing their decisions on? Wessenberg is 18 and still doesn't have a lutz. She has no business competing junior. The girl who is going to Japan this week scored 79 in the free at Golden West and didn't even win this club competition. Why send her? I've no idea if that's the best U.S. junior ladies can offer, but I can't help feeling there are better choices.
Vivian hasn't skated yet in the JGP so she may have an outside shot or be an alternate if she medals at both events. I think the JGP final will be mostly Russians and a couple of Japanese ladies.
I like Alexia Paganini's chances in coming years, she has a 3-3 and just needs some more flow, speed and refinement. For a 14 year old, I was impressed by her JGP debut.
I like Alexia Paganini's chances in coming years, she has a 3-3 and just needs some more flow, speed and refinement. For a 14 year old, I was impressed by her JGP debut.
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It originally was going to be Haley Beavers, but she WD, to the current choice.
Ashley Kim is also in Japan, this week. She might be a dark horse, having not made nationals, but it sounds like she's doing well. She score 60 in the SP at Skate Houston with a 3F-3T combo . She's a bit of a wild card having not made nationals in some time, but she's been doing well in club competition.
I feel U.S. junior ladies is probably where junior men were the last few years post Jason Brown/Joshua Farris --besides Nathan Chen, who was off-and-on, we didn't really have a lot of promising US men. Sounds like in Ladies some of the promising juniors fizzled out and now waiting for younger skaters to develop.
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That Patrick Commentates video . . . . I have no words.
I wonder if Lori Nichol charged Gracie her full SP price for that "new" choreography?
I certainly hope not. Seriously, if she was going to basically use the same program, she should have just kept her entire program from last year. It happens all the time. Especially if she's got a new free program. Maria B. Kept her "Scene D' Amore" program for two seasons.
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Caroline progress from Golden West!
Flip mule kick is so much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5GQhUkcqLs&t=0m53s
So close on that 3 loop-3 loop attempt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5GQhUkcqLs&t=2m33s
Look at this, a split jump straight into a double axel, I like this entrance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVTClJuliKw&t=2m26s
I like the swan ending pose, it's really very pretty. Perhaps she should do more swan poses throughout the program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVTClJuliKw&t=2m50s
Here's her signature change of edge spiral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5GQhUkcqLs&t=3m41s
When I see the spiral, I feel sad. Caroline looks so sad when she does it, and you know she's thinking about the things that went wrong in her program: the double axel was a little low and wild, she missed both 3 loop-3 loop attempts, her lutz had a very shaky edge, etc. I wish she would look happy and exuberant, like in her early days. The spiral is when the camera is going to pan over you, and the audience loves the element. If you're unhappy or upset, it really shows. Compare this to her most popular performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv1bk7pZj80&t=1m50s
I'm not sure of Caroline's personality, but I think she's the type that finds it difficult to plaster on a smile if she's not genuinely happy. In that, I hope she thinks about this things that have gone right
Flip mule kick is so much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5GQhUkcqLs&t=0m53s
So close on that 3 loop-3 loop attempt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5GQhUkcqLs&t=2m33s
Look at this, a split jump straight into a double axel, I like this entrance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVTClJuliKw&t=2m26s
I like the swan ending pose, it's really very pretty. Perhaps she should do more swan poses throughout the program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVTClJuliKw&t=2m50s
Here's her signature change of edge spiral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5GQhUkcqLs&t=3m41s
When I see the spiral, I feel sad. Caroline looks so sad when she does it, and you know she's thinking about the things that went wrong in her program: the double axel was a little low and wild, she missed both 3 loop-3 loop attempts, her lutz had a very shaky edge, etc. I wish she would look happy and exuberant, like in her early days. The spiral is when the camera is going to pan over you, and the audience loves the element. If you're unhappy or upset, it really shows. Compare this to her most popular performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv1bk7pZj80&t=1m50s
I'm not sure of Caroline's personality, but I think she's the type that finds it difficult to plaster on a smile if she's not genuinely happy. In that, I hope she thinks about this things that have gone right
- Overall speed is much better
- Double axel has much more speed
- Unique entrance into the double axel, I don't think I've ever seen a split jump into an axel
- Flip kick is so so so much better
- The lutz kick is still prominent but she's consistent with landing the jump
- She's going for the 3 loop 3 loop, I don't think anyone else is even trying this. Maybe Mao?
- Good carriage and posture
- Gorgeous dresses
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Gabrielle Noullet is the name of "the girl who is going to Japan"
.I don't know whether the U.S. has better choices, but adding some context:
- Gabby's scores from 2016 Glacier Falls (with protocol links):
- Video of Gabby starting to train 3Lz3Lo combo (posted Aug 5 by Jackie Wong):
48.67 SP (second behind Starr Andrews in their qualifying round; Haley Beavers placed eighth with 38.77 in the same round)
92.39 FS qualifying (first in her qualifying round)
102.68 FS final (second behind Kaitlyn Nguyen)
92.39 FS qualifying (first in her qualifying round)
102.68 FS final (second behind Kaitlyn Nguyen)
- Video of Gabby starting to train 3Lz3Lo combo (posted Aug 5 by Jackie Wong):
Good luck to Gabby and Ashley in Yokohama :yay:.
I hope that Ted Barton will interview one or both of them
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oh my!! He is a DREAM....just what the US needs for men's field. I loved him interpretation of both sp and lp music. He has the complete package......jumps plus musicality....his triple axel is HUGE!!!, and too bad he didn't land that quad loop! I like him a lot!!! Thanks so much for bringing his name up
I agree. Discovered him last season. He struggled at US Junior nationals where I think he was projected to win (with Nathan and Vincent both skating seniors.) I love that the US has a Russian man skating for us.
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Ashley does not seem to be quite as much of a head case as Gracie and more of a fighter. She consistently beat Gracie internationally this past season. Ashley is not technically as gifted as Gracie though.
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In terms of not knowing which one is going to show up/struggling to do well in the short and the long and stupid mistakes, then yes they are about on a similar level of inconsistent.
The difference in my eyes, is that Gracie gives up on her bad days. Ashley could pop and fall on every jumps and she is still going to be selling that program and performing to the audience. Ashley consistently performs, Gracie does not consistently perform.
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Gabrielle Noullet is the name of "the girl who is going to Japan"
Gabrielle is a charmer and I enjoyed watching her compete as a Novice last season. No matter where she places, I'm happy she will get to experience international competition.
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Caroline is a beautiful skater and is capable of some of the best spins among the US women. I think she would be more competitive under 6.0 because her type of skating (little speed, occasional edge issues and under rotations) isn't rewarded under COP. A skater like Gracie can have several major errors and still beat Caroline handily because any technical elements Gracie completes garner high GOE and she will always have a GOE edge because of her superior basics. I'm not sure how Caroline, at her best, would stack up against the national field. Internationally, I don't think she would be a factor. Mirai skated pretty well at Worlds and does many things better than Caroline, yet Mirai still barely finished in the top 10.
Watching her video of Golden West,
I did not see much improvement unlike you saw, it is still same Caroline.
Still slow over all, 2A is very awkward, mule kick to her 3F actually came back,
and she has been trying 3L+3L since 3 or 4 years ago, but always under-rotated.
She fixed her 3F like 4 years ago, but suddenly the old habit/mule kick came back 2 years ago.
I think her skating career as an international competitor has been over since 3 years ago or so.
If she likes to go back there, at least she has to be placed like 6th-8th @Nationals to be sent to international Bs.
However, it is tough to make it even there are not many big up comers among U.S. ladies right now,
easily I can name at least 10 skaters who can be placed higher than Caroline.
Saying lots of negative things, I still appreciate to see her trying out of the pure love for skating.
So go Caroline!
P.S. two female skaters 3L+3L combos were ratified last year.
Yura Matsuda
https://youtu.be/sqmEd_TrAHo
Na Hyun Kim
https://youtu.be/Dnj-0eJpmjc
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I think they kept a similar program because El Choclo really worked for her at worlds and at the Grand Prix in France. She seemed to connect well with it at those two events.
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Interpretation is subjective. I personally think Gracies brand of interpretation is about her coreography and skating skills, I love her programs when she skates them clean. Ashley on the other hand relies less on raw skating skills and more on acting out each emotion, she really gets into the performance with her facial expressions. It really is just a different way of skating.
No offence to you, KatGracie1925, but something about this statement makes my stomach turn ...
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