Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[mcq]

I can't find this video from Japanese TV featuring the Kiss&Cry moment after FP, could anyone share please? Thanks in advance!

I checked the link but unfortunately it is already removed by DM now. Maybe we need to wait until someone else upload it.

EDIT : I think the link hamaguri posted has this part

he was counting if he zayaked in fp or not

Lol I see, but why for SP

Actually even if he popped his sal he is not going to zayak right? Since he is allowed to repeat 2 jumps so his repeated jump would be 3S and 3A. I think doubles are allowed to be repeated and is not included into the triple jumps' repeat because ladies are repeating 2 triples and a double usually.

 

[Biellmann]

of course you shouldn't !
Mr. Klaus-Reinhold Kany in Pirouette Magazine wrote "Hanyu wasn't allowed to give to him an interwiew because that would only be possible after a previous OK from the Japanese federation", which basically means Yuzu is under JSF censorship.

 

[DiamondDust]

From that Bev Smith article:

“My only concern or advice is we can’t get caught up with what the others are doing,” Orser said. “And that’s not where we always win anyway. We won on the other marks. That’s what we need to train and focus on. That’s what Javi [Fernandez] is doing. Javi has no intention of upping the ante.”

So what does everyone think of this comment by Orser? Smart or foolish strategy heading into 2018?

It's Yuzuru who upped the ante, increasing the level of men's figure skating (in the modern era-- the impact of his NHK and GPF last season really shook the skating world ), and he'll continue doing so I believe, so long as he doesn't take the safe road (...his new program has the potential to top Seimei). And I too like him for this.

As for the strategy, I think it's good to keep tabs on the competition but not completely get carried away.

 

[hamaguri]

I went out for an event before Yuzu's FS and just got home an hour ago to catch up on all the pages. Congratulations Yuzu . That's ok, just take it easy, please don't push too hard

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Lo and behold the colour of the costume matches :luv17:, ^^that was 23 pages ago yesterday . I'm so relieved that it is a Yuzu's costume

Actually I checked out that Prince live performance video when Yuzu announced the SP and it had never cross my mind about the costume. Luckily I never suggested that for fun or else I could never forgive myself .

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Congratulations Yuzu

Welcome back! 23 pages!

Yes, he asserted that in asaichi one years ago, with his pants definitely black since black color makes his legs longer. He wanted to make him look higher.
Personally I don't dislike white pants although it makes him look thick (at first, I mistook them as the bottom of jersey), but I was just surprised at the color and shape!

 

[Biellmann]

Another news clip

http://dai.ly/x4vnf8w

Sorry, I can't confirm it since my tablet can't hold, but this video seems to include a full fp performance. The camera angles may be different.

OMG that 4 loop picture at the beginning
The japanese are so creative, i love to watch the news :luv17:

 

[Meoima]

From that Bev Smith article:

“My only concern or advice is we can’t get caught up with what the others are doing,” Orser said. “And that’s not where we always win anyway. We won on the other marks. That’s what we need to train and focus on. That’s what Javi [Fernandez] is doing. Javi has no intention of upping the ante.”

So what does everyone think of this comment by Orser? Smart or foolish strategy heading into 2018?

My understanding is that:
- Orser wants Yuzuru to settle down with a fixed layout and music style so he can skate clean more often within a comfort zone, by that way judges will give more stable scores for Yuzuru. This is not a bad strategy.
- Yuzuru wants to improve his layouts, he wants to add as many quads, 3A and transitions he can do. This is good as he keeps pushing the sport but it also comes with the risk of his health and consistency. His performance might be very good but also very bad due the the high risks. When it's good it helps him get world records but when he's in bad condition it costs him badly.

So I understand that Orser wants the most stable strategy for Yuzuru. He wants Yuzuru to become more stable but Yuzuru is more of a risks taker.

In my opinion, Yuzuru is heading towards the right direction as you know there is no guarantee that huge GOE and PCS will be your privilege only. By the time of Olympic maybe everyone will be given the same amount of GOE and PCS, so Yuzuru has to take risks. But at the same time he should follow Orser's advices about stability and how to stay healthy and peak at the right time.

 

[hamaguri]

OMG that 4 loop picture at the beginning
The japanese are so creative, i love to watch the news :luv17:

Are you saying about this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/BluecosmosH/status/782486810014265344/photo/1

 

[Lambari]

Another thought, I'm impressed by his ability right now to perform the program even if things don't go quite well considering the upgraded layout of the FP. His posture and hands didn't drop as much in the second half as they used to, his gestures seems more porpuseful even when he's tired which is a great prospective. If people complain of it I think they have short memories. IMO He wasn't crawling at the end of it as much, even if it indeed suffered a drop a bit. I'm forever impressed at how he could improved so much since Sochi to the point that #choreographedquadsalfall is a thing of the past. His hands are pretty :luv17:

How appropriate is that i'm stuck studying cardiovascular system this weekend since I've suffered a heart attack at the SP because of his Candomblé costume and another one at the LP but the second one for all the right reasons. I'm certainly getting to be an expert in it. Now off to my duty

 

[hamaguri]

Good news!

His interview at tcc the other day is aired today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/imoimo_gu/status/782597538872303617

I'm sure the video will be uploaded soon!

 

[Biellmann]

Are you saying about this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/BluecosmosH/status/782486810014265344/photo/1

Yes

 

[mcq]

From that Bev Smith article:

“My only concern or advice is we can’t get caught up with what the others are doing,” Orser said. “And that’s not where we always win anyway. We won on the other marks. That’s what we need to train and focus on. That’s what Javi [Fernandez] is doing. Javi has no intention of upping the ante.”

So what does everyone think of this comment by Orser? Smart or foolish strategy heading into 2018?

I actually agree with him. You have to remember that he trains different skaters at different stages of their career. It is a matter of perspective. For me, I think of all the current male competitors in Figure Skating, Yuzuru is actually the one person who can afford taking the most risks. Why? Because he has already won all major events (oly/world/GPF) whether people like it or not. Most oly champs usually retired after winning or not even seriously competing anymore. So worst case scenario for him, if the current layout is not working for him, he can always water it down by oly season. But he can't suddenly do new jumps during oly season so this is the right time for him to give it a try. While skaters like Javier and Patrick is probably going to retire after 2018 and they probably can't afford and don't want to have a lot of risk that might affect their health/pacing. So this approach in taking their skating also sounds right for them.

 

[Biellmann]

My understanding is that:
- Orser wants Yuzuru to settle down with a fixed layout and music style so he can skate clean more often within a comfort zone, by that way judges will give more stable scores for Yuzuru. This is not a bad strategy.
- Yuzuru wants to improve his layouts, he wants to add as many quads, 3A and transitions he can do. This is good as he keeps pushing the sport but it also comes with the risk of his health and consistency. His performance might be very good but also very bad due the the high risks. When it's good it helps him get world records but when he's in bad condition it costs him badly.

So I understand that Orser wants the most stable strategy for Yuzuru. He wants Yuzuru to become more stable but Yuzuru is more of a risks taker.

In my opinion, Yuzuru is heading towards the right direction as you know there is no guarantee that huge GOE and PCS will be your privilege only. By the time of Olympic maybe everyone will be given the same amount of GOE and PCS, so Yuzuru has to take risks. But at the same time he should follow Orser's advices about stability and how to stay healthy and peak at the right time.

I would say Orser just want Fernandez to win the big prize :disapp:

 

[ElenaClaire]

I've finally managed to watch his free. Love it!! The costume is alright. He's beautiful. :agree:
I think he's done as much as he can given the circumstances and yes he may be disappointed but it's alright. He'll get better.
I found that the music keeps on building pretty much until the end so it's like he'd have to keep 'running' until the end to keep up with it. He's gonna have to work on getting used to that and manage his stamina, which I believe he can, and will, slowly. Having said that, it's a gorgeous and well created program. He'll make it his.
I can almost see him raking his brain figuring out how/if he needs to change any jump because of the popped sal to that second 3A combo.
And that damn lutz!!! nah, jk, it's alright Yuzu. He clearly had some problem landing some of the jumps but it's ok.
Oh and I kinda miss his Biellmann but maybe he'll sneak that one in next time.. (or maybe not)

I'd definitely watch it again and again but I can't afford to sleep late now so will have to wait until tomorrow.

 

[yhmafan]

His hand

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctu-Lm0VMAMHoA3.jpg
http://amd.c.yimg.jp/amd/20161002-00010002-storyfulp-002-1-view.jpg

 

[Caustica]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vnt47_161002-ac-fsニュース⑤-n杯メッセージ_sport

Today's news clip

To hear his tone of voice and see the face, you couldn't say, "don't be so hard on yourself."...

Today there was press conference of nhk cup. He delivered a video message and says he is aiming for the performances that he can smile.

Ohhhh Yuzuru bb... :sad21:
His expression is so... It really scares me. He looks... crazed, even.
Don't put so much pressure on yourself to make no mistakes... Especially because you have upped your technical content by so much...
Nothing will make you not "Yuzuru Hanyu"... That name is not an ideal; you don't need to chase after an ideal to "be yourself".
It strikes me as quite a dangerous way of thinking.
I hope this was a slip of the tongue due to overwhelming kuyashii feelings and not what he usually thinks.

(Btw rough translation: he was rather exhausted during the performance, but next time he will perform cleanly, he really wants to, he will practice hard in order to achieve this. Otherwise, otherwise... he is not Yuzuru Hanyu.)

 

[Meoima]

I would say Orser just want Fernandez to win the big prize :disapp:

I don't agree. Orser is a professional, so he only gives professional advices that he believes in. He thinks skating with a stable style and layout will help you improve your consistency, it is true.
His strategy worked with Yuna before, and it worked with Nam and with Javi to some extent, so of course he has reason to believe in his strategy. It is logical. It's a great way to gain reputation and acknowledgement.

However, I'd say it is NOT the mindset of a pioneer and adventurer. The skating world see Yuzuru as the pioneer so they will just constantly expect more and more from him. If he plays it safe, it will not satisfy them and it will not satisfy Yuzuru himself.

Yuzuru is very different, he takes risks even during Olympic season, had he ditched the 4S he might have been more consistent for Sochi. But it is not Yuzuru at all. Yuzuru is a pioneer and an adventurer he isn't afraid of taking risks. It is admirable however he needs to think more for his health. If there is no health, there is less chance in the future. So Yuzuru still needs to listen to his coaching team regard of the issue about health and stability.

 

[yhmafan]

My understanding is that:
- Orser wants Yuzuru to settle down with a fixed layout and music style so he can skate clean more often within a comfort zone, by that way judges will give more stable scores for Yuzuru. This is not a bad strategy.
- Yuzuru wants to improve his layouts, he wants to add as many quads, 3A and transitions he can do. This is good as he keeps pushing the sport but it also comes with the risk of his health and consistency. His performance might be very good but also very bad due the the high risks. When it's good it helps him get world records but when he's in bad condition it costs him badly.

So I understand that Orser wants the most stable strategy for Yuzuru. He wants Yuzuru to become more stable but Yuzuru is more of a risks taker.

In my opinion, Yuzuru is heading towards the right direction as you know there is no guarantee that huge GOE and PCS will be your privilege only. By the time of Olympic maybe everyone will be given the same amount of GOE and PCS, so Yuzuru has to take risks. But at the same time he should follow Orser's advices about stability and how to stay healthy and peak at the right time.

Yuzuru even promised that he will skate clean (no mistake) at the next competition. he just put up his hurdle even more that made me shiver (in a good&bad way )

 

[Fayruza]

I would say Orser just want Fernandez to win the big prize :disapp:

I marvel everytime how much one can read into casual words said by somebody during an interview, if one wants to see what they want to see.

My personal take is that Brian's being cautious and careful about any promises concerning Yuzuru, that's it - and that he'd prefer Yuzu to stick to a more cautious plan. Yuzuru's got enough in his arsenal to win, that's true, but neither of them can predict the future - whether the others will catch up and make them do more difficult stuff, whether Yuzu's health and body is going to be able to cope with everything. So far their goal is to cope with complexities of these two programs.

 

[xibsuarz]

From that Bev Smith article:

“My only concern or advice is we can’t get caught up with what the others are doing,” Orser said. “And that’s not where we always win anyway. We won on the other marks. That’s what we need to train and focus on. That’s what Javi [Fernandez] is doing. Javi has no intention of upping the ante.”

So what does everyone think of this comment by Orser? Smart or foolish strategy heading into 2018?

I think it's a smart strategy to not get caught up with the rest of field's layout. Yuzu is doing the 4Lo mainly to challenge himself, staying ahead of everyone else is secondary. The changes in his layout come from his own motivation to constantly grow and improve, not because he thinks 'if I don't do it, I won't win this year'. He already has his main rival at the rink everyday, he doesn't need to think about the other top skaters, on top of that. It's unnecessary pressure if you ask me, and Yuzu is already under a lot of pressure constantly.
And it's good that they pay attention to the second mark, most of the younger skaters don't seem to care about that. But what puts Yuzu in a different league it's his ability to balance TES and PCS. Even though, when he is clean, his PCS basically max out, it's what makes people remember a program. Not just the jumps, but the performance as a whole.

 

[yhmafan]

Lo and behold the colour of the costume matches :luv17:, ^^that was 23 pages ago yesterday . I'm so relieved that it is a Yuzu's costume

Congrats and it reminds me of Mao’s Rach costume and actually it was inspired by the bird :yes: I will return to read the unread 20-30 pages maybe tomorrow